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The people who are complaining are people who just disagree with the Tigers operating principle. You have options as a team ownership: If you have the income you buy everything you want (NYM, NYY, LAD); or you build for a target window and go all out to win in that window (Tigers for a while under M Ilitch) and accept that you are going to leverage your future for your present; or you try to create your highest sustainable level of performance and hope that gets you a shot at the brass rings often enough. Those are choices that orgs make. Harris is on the third track. Many, many, fans want the 2nd track. But they should save their angst or just root for a different team, because if that is what you want, Harris is guaranteed to disappoint you every time. He's not on that page, and it's not by accident or incompetence.

RE: Veryzer's shape: Found a story written about Veryzer after he had been traded to Cleveland. Apparently he had put on weight in Det on the theory he'd could hit more HRs. He said in the story that he reported at 195 lb in 1976 and the Tigers didn't like it. He said he lost the weight but got traded anyway, but subsequently was playing at 165 for Cleveland. I don't remember him as anything but ordinary in the field. The knock was he was supposed to be able to hit - as he hit pretty well in the minors - 843 OPS at AAA before his call up. But he apparently forget his bat at Evanville because it never showed up in Detroit. https://www.newspapers.com/article/daily-news-tom-veryzer-is-a-diamond-on-t/32825779/

You know where you will find a lot of mental health issues in America? Look among the homeless. Probably a higher proportion of damaged pysches there than anywhere. You know where you don't find a lot of mass murderers? Among the homeless. Why? Because they can't afford to buy or have places to store guns and cache ammo. QED.

I can take or leave Bobby. Mostly it's about rhythm. He hasn't seemed to have developed a smooth one yet - but that's the kind of thing that may improve with reps.

both very true. I actually don't like radio PBPs who betray emotional involvement in the game. That's one of the things that Harwell (and Carey as well) had such a genius for. You could never guess the score of a Tiger game listening to Ernie's tone or delivery - (though he made sure to tell you regularly - I think he once said that early in his career he keep an egg timer in the booth to remind him how often to give the score). The value in that is that it's a lot easier to listen to the losses!

I guess that means that Mayo is Speech.

LOL - but I think he was also 0 for the previous three games. The walk rate is great, and he is hitting the ball over the fence, though his contact rate is down since promotion, but the sample size is too small to mean anything.

I didn't say that. But it IS the perception of the Democratic party - and that's the problem. 60% of the voters don't particularly like either party, based primarily on what they perceive them to be. You can tell me all the wonderful sane normal things the Biden and Obama people did and I'm with you all the way - but it's the people on the outside of that perception loop that hear 'Democrat' and immediately picture all the nutballs on the UM Diag on April 1. and of course, funny that you mention it, but the nominal 'Democrats' that have control of the city government here are so in thrall to real-estate developer interests that someone from the AOC wing would be all charged up to run them out of office (as I am!) as 'worse than Republicans'. It's a curious paradox.

so basically women won't come near him anymore?

They need to find/settle on more relief depth because this is the 2nd game in a row they probably win if Hinch feels better about getting his starter out of the game earlier. It just the reality of baseball 2025.

again, because powerful economic interests didn't want a discernible impact on the latter. They want cheap labor.

Yes but.....Rob's OP says sunRISE! (look East, so flip your flip!)

This team needs more pitching chaos again.

a lot of investment for no return there.

I've met enough people in a liberal outpost like A^2 who support open borders to tell you they are out there and as long as they drive perceptions.... There has always been a gulf between the functional governing Dem party and the public perception of it - that is maybe the Dems single biggest problem.

bad approach by Tork. Just take the outside pitch you know is coming to right and take the RBI.

why don't we have any runs?

Dems may have had the votes in theory, but you are correct to the degree there was no immigration bill all Dems would agree on at that point. The best chance at reform was with Bush, there was an absolute majority given the sum of Dem and Repub support then, but the GOP would not allow a bill to pass the with majority Dem support (Hastert rule idiocy). the Dems are whistling past the graveyard if they don't figure out what to do with their faction who do believe that open borders are a moral imperative. There may not even be that many but as long as the Dems can't control the narrative about it, it's a problem. it's a commendable moral stance, it's just not a politically viable stance. But for decades we've had this weird collusion between the pro immigration parts of the left and the business interests on the right who are happy to support anti-immigration political talk, as long as they know they can count on enough division among the Dems so that between that and their own duplicity, they can keep anything from actually happening. Finally the public frustration over inaction helped give us Trump and the business community is going to see their worst nightmare scenario come to past - either there is going to be a recession, or lower end wages in the US are going to rise.

Tork not picking up Ginn at all.

True. Though Riley is another 'lost year' player and he probably only sticks with a weak MLB team given his performance in '22. Good team/bad team is not even an aspect we've talked about but of course is a big part of who might get called up early and who doesn't. A lot of stuff depends on things beyond the player. McGonigle's probability of seeing Detroit next season could swing on a lot factors unrelated to him- what if they sign Torres? What if McKinstry has another good season? or you can game it out the opposite way - Skubal gets hurt, Jobe doesn't make it back, they are 15 out at the ASB. 😱

this is a much more general problem then just immigration. It's just the current worst case. We pass too many laws in the US that no-one is really interested in enforcing. We pass them to make 'statements' even though they may be impractical or unworkable or just in nobody's interest but the sound bite a CongressCritter got from it. That leaves half the people frustrated who understand it's bad law, the other half irritated that 'the laws on the books aren't enforced' and leaves the state police power constantly tempted with the corruption to practice selective enforcement, and in general degrades both respect for and compliance with rule of law by both the public and the government.

yeah - Carroll and Witt were both guys with the lost year. If they were at one of the camps they were probably getting some kind of work in, for whatever that was worth. So Witt was 22 in his first season and Corbin was 22 in his first full season also after 30 games the season before. If you are hoping to see McGonigle in the majors at 21 for more than a cup of coffee, I'd say Trout is still your best hoped for example as he did play a full season in his age 20 year and was an impact player, even if he did have more minor league PA than McGonigle will get to at that age. So, not asking for much......

you do realize those two had hundreds of college PAs and were older (22) and McGonigle came in as a prep player? So you have a rather apples/oranges comparison. NCAA ball is about equivalent to low minors play. McGonigle will be 22 in '27. I've generally been referencing PA and BR has Jackson, a prep player, with 1017 PA in the minors. He has also totaled 0.6 WAR in 180 games, and he hasn't broken a 100 OPS+ yet. Not sure he's your best case for a fast call up.

I'm not sure that showing more MiLB power gets to the heart of why Malloy fails in Detroit, which is that he can't barrel up pitches in the K zone against MLB pitchers. I suppose you have to analyze what he is doing in Toledo and determine if he is just getting stronger i.e - hitting the same number of pitches harder (which I would think doesn't help him stick in the majors much at all) vs actually getting his bat on a higher percentage of the strikes he sees - which is more what I think could help his cause. 🤷‍♂️

fair point.