The Gaza War

[guy incognito]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9vgrkdje1ro

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When the guy was arrested he shouted Free Palestine.

This will do wonders for the Gaza people.  They will benefit greatly from the murder of these two people in the US.

 

 

[RatkoVarda]

obviously, you cannot expect a wacko murderer to make rational choices, but he just made everything worse

and how long before "campus protestors" tell us how invigorated they now feel?

 

IsraAID, an Israel-based non-governmental organization, said the event in Washington, DC, where two Israeli staff members were shot dead was focused on humanitarian aid for Gaza.

The event, where IsraAID members were keynote speakers, “focused on bringing humanitarian aid to Gaza through Israeli-Palestinian and regional collaboration,” the NGO said in a statement Thursday.

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, RatkoVarda said:

obviously, you cannot expect a wacko murderer to make rational choices, but he just made everything worse

and how long before "campus protestors" tell us how invigorated they now feel?

 

IsraAID, an Israel-based non-governmental organization, said the event in Washington, DC, where two Israeli staff members were shot dead was focused on humanitarian aid for Gaza.

The event, where IsraAID members were keynote speakers, “focused on bringing humanitarian aid to Gaza through Israeli-Palestinian and regional collaboration,” the NGO said in a statement Thursday.

Exactly this. This is not a person who is a rational Democrat, or a rational liberal, or a rational anybody representative of anything. This is a guy who's probably mentally ill who has latched onto this issue as a conduit for acting out. He could have done the same thing because he hated a certain movie. Who knows. But his moving forward some sort of peace process was nowhere on his mind, so it would unfair to hold the Palestinian people at large, or even leadership tasked with representing Palestinian interests, responsible for his action.

[Motown Bombers]

It’s totally fair to hold this free Palestine movement responsible. If it were MAGA killing liberals, Trump and the rest of the MAGA klan would be held accountable. The left has a growing extremism similar to MAGA. 

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if one cares about internet comments many people in the arab/muslim community around me feel like this was a mossad operation.

But I will play devils advocate and say that it's convenient to say that when someone on "your side" does something bad, we just write it off as a crazy person, but when someone on the "other side" does something bad, we say it's part of their idealogy.

I'll go on record and say that I'm certain there's people in the leadership that are not upset over this other than how it reflects their own interests in getting aid and solutions. But dead Israelis?  They don't care and they don't mourn.

 

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https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-855018

an active member of the Party for Socialism and Liberation (PSL), a far-left, Marxist, pro-Palestine group.

 

Rodriguez has a BA in English from the University of Illinois, Chicago. He worked as an oral history researcher at The HistoryMakers Digital Archive and most recently as a profiles administration specialist at the American Osteopathic Information Association.

 

Rodriguez made a political donation to the Joe Biden campaign in 2020.

 

In 2017, Rodriguez attended a protest in honor of the anniversary of the death of Laquan McDonald, a 17-year-old boy who was fatally shot by a Chicago police officer.

 

“The wealth that Amazon has brought to Seattle has not been shared with its Black residents,” Rodriguez told Liberation magazine at the time.

 

The company’s “whitening of Seattle is structurally racist and a direct danger to all workers who live in that city,” he said. “So do we in Chicago and all across the country want a nation of cities dominated and occupied by massive corporations where only the rich and white can live and the vast majority of us must live on edges of the city and society living in deeper and deeper poverty?”

[RatkoVarda]

I hope the two victims and their families get justice, more likely it is going to be a sh|tshow.

Bondi said Drunk Judge Jeanine will seek the death penalty in a jurisdiction that banned it over 40 years ago.

[romad1]

1 minute ago, RatkoVarda said:

I hope the two victims and their families get justice, more likely it is going to be a sh|tshow.

Bondi said Drunk Judge Jeanine will seek the death penalty in a jurisdiction that banned it over 40 years ago.

GingerSpice💙: " Pam Bondi gives off Dedra from Andor vibes in more ways than one. IYKYK" — Bluesky

[chasfh]

22 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

It’s totally fair to hold this free Palestine movement responsible. If it were MAGA killing liberals, Trump and the rest of the MAGA klan would be held accountable. The left has a growing extremism similar to MAGA. 

I’m not talking about extremist Palestine factions. I’m talking about the Palestinian people, and the leadership out of Hamas that represents their interests. They’re not all one and the same.

In any event, I don’t believe there’s a fair equivalence between Trump/Republicans and TBD/Democrats. Democratic Party leadership do not kowtow to and encourage the most extreme elements of the far left, who make up probably low single digit percents of the entire spectrum that’s left of the 50/50 center. But the extreme right is representative of the Republican Party, Trump and his “brain trust” do kowtow to and encourage them, and that far right makes up a way, way higher percentage of that side of the center, maybe a quarter of them or more. People who’d be willing maybe not to die for their cause, but at least to kill it for it. The numbers of the far extremes of both sides and their influence on each party’s leadership and general political direction is not even close to equivalent.

Edited May 23 by chasfh

[Motown Bombers]

19 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I’m not talking about extremist Palestine factions. I’m talking about the Palestinian people, and the leadership out of Hamas that represents their interests. They’re not all one and the same.

In any event, I don’t believe there’s a fair equivalence between Trump/Republicans and TBD/Democrats. Democratic Party leadership do not kowtow to and encourage the most extreme elements of the far left, who make up probably low single digit percents of the entire spectrum that’s left of the 50/50 center. But the extreme right is representative of the Republican Party, Trump and his “brain trust” do kowtow to and encourage them, and that far right makes up a way, way higher percentage of that side of the center, maybe a quarter of them or more. People who’d be willing maybe not to die for their cause, but at least to kill it for it. The numbers of the far extremes of both sides and their influence on each party’s leadership and general political direction is not even close to equivalent.

The extreme left is the Tea Party circa 2008. It hasn't advanced to the stage of MAGA right now. You do have prominent people in congress on the left who want to eliminate Israel and say elections were rigged. Democrats need to end this instead of letting it take over the party. Biden started to cater to the extreme left and absolutely got crushed by it. 

[chasfh]

On 5/23/2025 at 8:39 AM, Motown Bombers said:

The extreme left is the Tea Party circa 2008. It hasn't advanced to the stage of MAGA right now. You do have prominent people in congress on the left who want to eliminate Israel and say elections were rigged. Democrats need to end this instead of letting it take over the party. Biden started to cater to the extreme left and absolutely got crushed by it. 

The kind of extreme left politics you’re talking about will never, ever, ever be the platform of the mainstream Democratic Party. That’s just hair on fire thinking. They will always be a fringe element that will never rise to the numbers that MAGA has.

[Motown Bombers]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

The kind of extreme left politics you’re talking about will never, ever, ever be the platform of the mainstream Democratic Party. That’s just hair on fire thinking. They will always be a fringe element that will never rise to the numbers that MAGA has.

They are already in the DNC and getting millions of votes. There is a whole city in Michigan taken over by them. The Democrats need to head off the rise of this extreme left. 

[Motown Bombers]

I'm actually surprised things in Gaza haven't gotten better since the city of Chicago passed a ceasefire resolution. I thought that would really do it. 

[chasfh]

4 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

They are already in the DNC and getting millions of votes. There is a whole city in Michigan taken over by them. The Democrats need to head off the rise of this extreme left. 

OK, now I am going to ask you to tell me who you mean and how many votes they get. Meaning, name names and give me their votes totals so we can add them up on a spreadsheet. I want to see confirmation that they received millions of votes.

[Motown Bombers]

9 minutes ago, chasfh said:

OK, now I am going to ask you to tell me who you mean and how many votes they get. Meaning, name names and give me their votes totals so we can add them up on a spreadsheet. I want to see confirmation that they received millions of votes.

Here's 13 million. Let me know if you want more.

[Motown Bombers]

Here's a bonus 2.7 million votes

[Tiger337]

12 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Here's 13 million. Let me know if you want more.

 

[Motown Bombers]

Just now, Tiger337 said:

 

 

[Tiger337]

Just now, Tiger337 said:

 

Sanders is extreme?  I believe you've said yourself that he is not extreme and that your beef with him was not his policy positions.   

[Motown Bombers]

Just now, Tiger337 said:

Sanders is extreme?  I believe you've said yourself that he is not extreme and that your beef with him was not his policy positions.   

It's not his policy positions, but he still claims that election he lost by 3.7 million votes was rigged. Sanders was talking about rigged elections before Trump but gets a pass for some reason. He's poisoned a whole generation of voters and people who were prominent in his campaign rat****s the Democrats at every opportunity. 

[Motown Bombers]

I would also say Sanders affinity for Fidel Castro, waxing poetically about communism and his anti Israel stance can be extreme. 

[chasfh]

Bernie Sanders nine years ago. 2022 pre-stroke Fetterman.

Cool.

Where’s the Rashida Tlaib contingent in your posts? I was hoping you’d show me millions of votes for dozens of candidates like her. If the dangerous far left has the Democratic Party in the same level of thrall as the dangerous far right has the Republican Party, that should be a cakewalk. I mean, come on, we can all name over a hundred elected MAGA christoextremists prepping the world for the end times practically off the top of our heads.

[Motown Bombers]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

Bernie Sanders nine years ago. 2022 pre-stroke Fetterman.

Cool.

Where’s the Rashida Tlaib contingent in your posts? I was hoping you’d show me millions of votes for dozens of candidates like her. If the dangerous far left has the Democratic Party in the same level of thrall as the dangerous far right has the Republican Party, that should be a cakewalk. I mean, come on, we can all name over a hundred elected MAGA christoextremists prepping the world for the end times practically off the top of our heads.

Here's 10 million more recently. I'm even being generous not including Warren.

What's wild is Bernie Sanders says this election he lost by nearly 10 million votes was rigged. 

Off the top of my head: Tlaib, Pressley, Omar, AOC, Jayapal, and Khanna. Ones that got defeated in primaries: Busch, Bowman and Levin. Losers who still got a lot of votes: Beto, Castro. 

You ignore the fact I said the far left isn't as far along as the current MAGA movement. We are at 2008 level Tea Party. The worst part is that these people have influence and are more interested in rat****ing the party than actually winning elections. 

[chasfh]

So, five years ago. At least you're getting a little closer to the present day.

But is Bernie really is your idea of the Jew-hating Free Palestine far left you are basically claiming is on the precipice of bringing down the entire Democratic Party?

Setting aside whether I agree with your characterizations of some of the six congressional reps you named as being part of the Jew-hating Free Palestine far left, we're talking about 1.5 million votes cast for them in the general election out of almost 71 million votes cast for Democrats. That comes out to 2% of all Democratic votes. Two percent of voters are going to destroy the Democratic party and its traditional brand of center-left liberalism? Seriously? And your highlighting candidates of that ilk who actually lost their primaries—who never even got to the general election in the first place—weakens your case even further.

In the meantime, at least a third of all Republican voters cast their ballots for nihilist MAGA christofascists dedicated to literally destroying democracy in this country basically because it does not comport with what their preachers tell them an ancient book of anthology says. That's a third versus two percent, which is roughly a 16:1 ratio. How on earth is that even close to being equivalent?

You are way, way, way overblowing the danger of the Jew-hating Free Palestine far left to the Democratic Party. Which basically makes you the Bill Maher of this forum. 😉

Edited May 27 by chasfh