Trumps Presidency 2025

[chasfh]

22 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

I doubt his tweets are even him.  However, allowing someone to represent him in this way is nuts.  

I don't care who is at the keyboard. If tweets go out under his name, even if he knows nothing about it, it's him. It's his responsibility, If it's his name, it's his voice and his words. He does not get off the hook for not knowing. Or at least he shouldn't.

[chasfh]

20 hours ago, oblong said:

I don’t even react anymore. It’s as if you told me you bought blue socks instead of navy blue socks. The people we need to care about this do not. It’s not worth my time anymore.  I’m not dismissing it or being indifferent. I dont know what the word is.  There’s nothing more to say to try to convince people.  

This is their plan to get us so fatigued that we stop paying attention, then they go to town and we just shrug as the roundups of dissidents begin.

[CMRivdogs]

 

[ewsieg]

https://www.newsweek.com/cory-booker-responds-nazi-salute-accusation-2079527
 

i did not expect Cory Booker to be the next person after Elon to come out as a Nazi.

[Tiger337]

47 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I don't care who is at the keyboard. If tweets go out under his name, even if he knows nothing about it, it's him. It's his responsibility, If it's his name, it's his voice and his words. He does not get off the hook for not knowing. Or at least he shouldn't.

That is pretty much what I said.  He owns them.  

[oblong]

2 hours ago, chasfh said:

This is their plan to get us so fatigued that we stop paying attention, then they go to town and we just shrug as the roundups of dissidents begin.

But what do you suggest we do?  Ranting on social media isn’t going to make a lick of difference. Getting angry doesn’t solve anything. All I can do is vote for the other side, put up a yard sign, and donate some $$ if I can afford it.  Merely saying “I care” doesn’t solve the problem.   Telling someone they are wrong doesn’t change their behavior in this circumstance.  I don’t know what “off the hook” means in this context.  We can’t send him to jail.  We can’t prosecute him.  Congress can’t do anything.  It’s the “wearing a ribbon” conundrum. Ok. Wear it. People still have cancer. 

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, oblong said:

All I can do is vote for the other side, put up a yard sign, and donate some $$ if I can afford it.

And I think we are at a point where the money matters. We've pretty much lost the noblesse oblige class of wealthy people willing to bankroll civil society, but today's middle class still is not awake to the fact that the responsibility is now theirs.  And it doesn't have to be political money. Support your University, the ACLU, your library system, buy your local newspaper, there  hundreds of places that middle class monetary support can help protect civil society from the caprice of a rogue Federal government.

[romad1]

"A French Village" shows a lot of the behaviors and attitudes described.  We all hope we'd resist the Germans when they take over our village and take away the class/type of people they will drag off into the night.  Not all of us will.  Oppression seldom ends from within, it usually takes support from outside. 

Edited Tuesday at 10:34 AM by romad1

[chasfh]

13 hours ago, CMRivdogs said:

 

This is exactly what people voted for.

[chasfh]

11 hours ago, oblong said:

But what do you suggest we do?  Ranting on social media isn’t going to make a lick of difference. Getting angry doesn’t solve anything. All I can do is vote for the other side, put up a yard sign, and donate some $$ if I can afford it.  Merely saying “I care” doesn’t solve the problem.   Telling someone they are wrong doesn’t change their behavior in this circumstance.  I don’t know what “off the hook” means in this context.  We can’t send him to jail.  We can’t prosecute him.  Congress can’t do anything.  It’s the “wearing a ribbon” conundrum. Ok. Wear it. People still have cancer. 

I don’t know if there’s anything we can do, at least in the short term. This is the dictatorship playbook, and Americans have long been so sheltered from that, they are not even aware it exists, let alone recognize it when it’s in front of their face.

But you’re right: you and I and the rest of us have no power as individuals to effect change. Our power lies in our acting as a collective. But that’s uniquely difficult to achieve in this country because American ideology elevates individualism above all else and discourages—and even occasionally criminalizes—collectives. Remember how big an insult it was meant to be by dismissing Obama as a “community organizer”? Because community is only a few letters from communism, amirite?

As far as Trump being on the hook, I don’t mean prosecuting him or anything like that. I’m talking about the simple act of disavowing that he has any responsibility for words coming out under his name, if we were to learn it’s not really him doing the actual writing. But of course it is if they come out under his name, even if he never saw the words before they went out. They’re still his words, and he’s responsible for them. We can’t let him off the hook by saying he’s too stupid to think up words. That’s basically infantilizing him. By excusing him for things done in his name that people believe he’s not capable of concocting himself, we’re letting him off the hook. I’m just saying, don’t let him off the hook. He’s not just “following orders”.

[smr-nj]

You know, I’ll probably be dead in a small number of years (& lately it’s feeling imminent ), but I really feel like I can’t just shrug this one off, mostly because I have in my family kids under 20.  And 3 are females, whose very future is now looking dangerous.  A percentage of the population will not care if they actually die…. & it seems that it will depend where they choose to live.  I guess they shouldn’t travel anywhere.

Look, I’m rambling, but I’m honestly afraid for them.  
 

And, I’m worried for our aging population (I am for sure in this group), because it feels like the rest of you are waiting for us to shut up and just ****ing die already.

[Tigermojo]

17 minutes ago, smr-nj said:

You know, I’ll probably be dead in a small number of years (& lately it’s feeling imminent ), but I really feel like I can just shrug this one off, mostly because I have in my family kids under 20.  And 3 are females, whose very future is now looking dangerous.  A percentage of the population will not care if they actually die…. & it seems that it will depend where they choose to live.  I guess they shouldn’t travel anywhere.

Look, I’m rambling, but I’m honestly afraid for them.  
 

And, I’m worried for our aging population (I am for sure in this group), because it feels like the rest of you are waiting for us to shut up and just ****ing die already.

A.I. paints a bleak picture as well. What's the plan for us when we don't need the working class anymore? There is no plan.  Just like there is no plan for the elderly, disabled, homeless or refugees fleeing war.

[CMRivdogs]

 

[CMRivdogs]

These "Trade Agreements" are becoming the 2025 version of Infrastructure Week

 

 

[LaceyLou]

6 hours ago, smr-nj said:

You know, I’ll probably be dead in a small number of years (& lately it’s feeling imminent ), but I really feel like I can’t just shrug this one off, mostly because I have in my family kids under 20.  And 3 are females, whose very future is now looking dangerous.  A percentage of the population will not care if they actually die…. & it seems that it will depend where they choose to live.  I guess they shouldn’t travel anywhere.

Look, I’m rambling, but I’m honestly afraid for them.  
 

And, I’m worried for our aging population (I am for sure in this group), because it feels like the rest of you are waiting for us to shut up and just ****ing die already.

Same. Also, even though they're all naturalized citizens, I'm afraid that my boyfriend and many of my coworkers will get snatched and taken away by ICE. And no, I don't see this as being paranoid. 

[CMRivdogs]

 

 

[chasfh]

6 hours ago, smr-nj said:

You know, I’ll probably be dead in a small number of years (& lately it’s feeling imminent ), but I really feel like I can’t just shrug this one off, mostly because I have in my family kids under 20.  And 3 are females, whose very future is now looking dangerous.  A percentage of the population will not care if they actually die…. & it seems that it will depend where they choose to live.  I guess they shouldn’t travel anywhere.

Look, I’m rambling, but I’m honestly afraid for them.  
 

And, I’m worried for our aging population (I am for sure in this group), because it feels like the rest of you are waiting for us to shut up and just ****ing die already.

I have no more reactions left to give, so ...

[CMRivdogs]

Everything he touches….

 

[CMRivdogs]

Forget protecting our country from enemies. Let’s go after the WOKES

 

 

[gehringer_2]

9 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

Everything he touches….

 

Class may be an obsolete anachronism from an age of elitist power structures, but it's one virtue is that it's still something you cannot buy. Trump will go to go to his grave without  ever having succeeded in buying or bulling his way past his nouveau-riche status.

Edited Tuesday at 10:40 PM by gehringer_2

[CMRivdogs]

1 minute ago, CMRivdogs said:

Forget protecting our country from enemies. Let’s go after the WOKES

 

 

In July 2016, Ray Mabus, then United States Secretary of the Navy, advised Congress that he intended to name the John Lewis-class oilers after prominent civil rights leaders, with this ship to be named in honor of gay rights activist Harvey Milk.^[5]

The ship was officially named at a ceremony in San Francisco on 16 August 2016.^[6][7] Though Milk was gay, this ship is not the first US Navy ship named for an openly gay person, as that would be the WWI troopship USS Von Steuben (ID-3017), commissioned in 1917 and named for a revolutionary war hero and one of the Founding Fathers of the United States.^[8]

Per Wikipedia 

[1984Echoes]

1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said:

... Trump will go to go to his grave without ever having succeeded in buying or bulling his way past his ...

Slumlord roots.

Try as he might. He's still trash. And everyone knows it.

Everyone.

[chasfh]

14 hours ago, CMRivdogs said:

Everything he touches….

 

The dirty little secret is, they don’t care if they drive it out of business at best, and they want to drive it out of business at worst. After all, it’s rotten with dirty slimy libs and it’s named for an anti-states right taxachusetts lech.

[oblong]

18 minutes ago, chasfh said:

The dirty little secret is, they don’t care if they drive it out of business at best, and they want to drive it out of business at worst. After all, it’s rotten with dirty slimy libs and it’s named for an anti-states right taxachusetts lech.

but half of MAGA is so ignorant that they hear "Kenendy" and they think of JFK's nephew now.  THey probably assumed its named after him since he's kind of in entertainment through his wife.

 

[chasfh]

This story just hurts my heart.

A guy in Wisconsin robbed and beat a migrant. The guy gets arrested and the migrant was ready to testify against the guy. The guy then frames the migrant by writing a letter in the migrant’s name making a death threat against Trump, a totally made-up thing, and mails it to the local ICE office so the migrant can be deported before he testifies. The guy’s whole point was to be set free.

The administration, of course, loves to believe stuff like that and arrests the migrant. They even issued a press release trumpeting the migrant’s arrest. Dogshooter Noem puts her ugly Botox face on the whole story. Then the guy gets busted for lying and is now facing additional charges for the frame-up.

But here’s the kicker: the administration is still holding the migrant for making death threats against Trump, they are still going forward with his deportation hearing, and they still have the press release on the DHS website.

We all pretty much know what’s going to happen next.

Man admits to attempting to frame migrant accused of threatening Trump, prosecutors say