pfife Posted yesterday at 01:46 PM Posted yesterday at 01:46 PM Imagine coming here and posting that stuff Republicans say is based on what democrats say Quote
oblong Posted yesterday at 01:56 PM Posted yesterday at 01:56 PM Regarding an Epstein list.... I don't think there's much there. It was catnip for the conspiracy goons like Bognino and Patel and that helped fundraising and messaging and all that but then damn..... the dog caught the tail and now what? I can't think of a single person who would be on that list that the other side would protect. Trump and Clinton being perverts is already baked into the nations consciousness so seeing them on a list changes very little, especially electorally. So there's two options. Nothing. Or something so explosive that reaches into the deep corners of intelligence and political financing that even Trumps folks are like "No, we can't let that get out.". And if it's the latter then we're all living in a simulation and none of this matters. Quote
RatkoVarda Posted yesterday at 01:57 PM Posted yesterday at 01:57 PM 20 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: Where was this during the election? I could never understand why Democrats didn't go around and call Trump a pedophile and bring up his connections and friendships to Epstein. It is low hanging fruit that could have and should have been exploited. I I think the answer is that Democrats tried to run on normalcy and decency - that aligns with what most Democratic voters want, but it does not exactly energize the electorate. But Trump was able to reach just enough of the infrequent/disinterested voters to win. Some loved the racism, others loved the sexism, still others just liked that politics was interesting under Trump, unlike boring Biden. Trump said he would reduce egg prices. Biden/Harris tried to explain to competing market forces that worked against a more rigid elasticity in egg prices. I have totally come around on this issue that you must be 100% media literate - in all forms of media - to reach large portions of possible voters, and constantly bullsh|t everyone. Trump promised everything to every group on every platform he could find. 1 1 Quote
Motown Bombers Posted yesterday at 02:38 PM Posted yesterday at 02:38 PM I'm liking this version of Newsom. Quote
romad1 Posted yesterday at 03:04 PM Posted yesterday at 03:04 PM 1 hour ago, oblong said: Regarding an Epstein list.... I don't think there's much there. It was catnip for the conspiracy goons like Bognino and Patel and that helped fundraising and messaging and all that but then damn..... the dog caught the tail and now what? I can't think of a single person who would be on that list that the other side would protect. Trump and Clinton being perverts is already baked into the nations consciousness so seeing them on a list changes very little, especially electorally. So there's two options. Nothing. Or something so explosive that reaches into the deep corners of intelligence and political financing that even Trumps folks are like "No, we can't let that get out.". And if it's the latter then we're all living in a simulation and none of this matters. The Profumo affair indicates that this is in a certain intelligence service's playbook. That playbook is well-understood by another service which considers all things fungible so long as their small state in the eastern Mediterranean is kept safe. The UK royal family have a history of being in little black books of people who mean to use that information for their own benefit. https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1062540/princess-margaret-affair-john-bindon-lloyds-banker-street-bank-robbery-1971-photos-michael https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-58871849 Quote What is Prince Andrew accused of? In court documents, Virginia Giuffre says she was the victim of sex trafficking and abuse by Jeffrey Epstein from the age of 16. So, i'm using the UK royals as a stand in for some other famous people who may or may not own property in Florida... Oh, by the way...that problem with Iran you had.... Quote
oblong Posted yesterday at 03:39 PM Posted yesterday at 03:39 PM What I can't resolve is both Biden Admin and Trump admin (especially with those kooks) didn't release anything. Quote
Motown Bombers Posted yesterday at 03:46 PM Posted yesterday at 03:46 PM 5 minutes ago, oblong said: What I can't resolve is both Biden Admin and Trump admin (especially with those kooks) didn't release anything. His flight logs were released, which Trump was on, but I don't think there is more to release. I don't think Epstein just had a list of people he committed crimes with. Quote
oblong Posted yesterday at 03:51 PM Posted yesterday at 03:51 PM 4 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: His flight logs were released, which Trump was on, but I don't think there is more to release. I don't think Epstein just had a list of people he committed crimes with. Me either. The crazy people got off on this story and used it for ratings. It's like the JFK assassination stuff. Quote
Tigerbomb13 Posted yesterday at 03:58 PM Posted yesterday at 03:58 PM The Epstein stuff has always been on non-interest to me since I think there is no “there” there. I’d rather focus on the atrocities of this administration, rather than dangle meat for the conspiracy nuts. Quote
Motown Bombers Posted yesterday at 04:08 PM Posted yesterday at 04:08 PM Just because I don't think the list exists, doesn't mean I won't pressure the Trump administration to release it. They campaigned on it and Bondi said it was on her desk so let's see it. Quote
ewsieg Posted yesterday at 04:37 PM Posted yesterday at 04:37 PM So I never believed the grand conspiracies regarding Epstein that he had a list or that there was this large group of pedo's and Epstein was going to be used to bring them all down. The fact that the Prince Andrew stuff got out to me signifies that Epstein and Andrew liked young girls and that was probably it. They used their fame and money to 'hide in plain sight' around other rich and famous people. All that said, the plea deal in Florida was shady. Was it just because he had high powered friends? Possibly. But as noted by others here, who is going to stand up and defend a guy that was caught with this type of behavior? There was a single reporter that said Acosta claimed Epstein 'belonged to the CIA', and as far as I know he's never denied that either, just responded with a cheeky 'I've heard that reported, but that doesn't mean it's a fact'. Again, it's not beyond the scope that a state AG dropped the ball and let him get a sweetheart plea deal. We've seen Nessell screw up plenty of times and at least in this forum she's probably considered one of the best. The logical next step though, at least to me, would be to publish a list of actual facts and an overview of the investigation and why ultimately they didn't believe any names they had belonged on a 'list'. Maybe Trump knew his followers wouldn't react well with that and just told Bondi/Patel to just state it and hope it breezes over. Maybe Bondi/Patel realized how bad a report would be if they dispelled everything they used to help Trump get elected in the first place. But the little bit of conspiracy theory I have for this, it had names of people in both parties and other high level people that they have no proof even knew about Epstein's proclivity towards kids that were in the files simply because Epstein, just like those people on 'the list', love the spotlight and love being around other rich and famous people, but the association with Epstein will hurt them. Quote
oblong Posted yesterday at 05:15 PM Posted yesterday at 05:15 PM yeah the problem for Trump isn't who is on the list but who isn't on the list. WIth all their bluster and ranting if they released a list that did NOT contain Bill Clinton but did contain Trump.... well how would that look? 1 Quote
Screwball Posted yesterday at 05:38 PM Posted yesterday at 05:38 PM RE: Epstein Somebody has to wear a tin-foil hat so I will do so. It should come as no surprise they will not release the Epstein stuff. Why? It's complicated. I link to the below books you can get on Amazon. Well documented and cited. Two Volumes. Incredible reading. One Nation Under Blackmail, Vol. 1: The Sordid Union Between Intelligence and Crime that Gave Rise to Jeffrey Epstein One Nation Under Blackmail – Vol. 2: The Sordid Union Between Intelligence and Organized Crime that Gave Rise to Jeffrey Epstein Vol. 2 (2) Over 1000 pages between the two. There is plenty of there there. Your beloved government is crooked as **** - all of them. News at 11. Quote
romad1 Posted yesterday at 05:49 PM Posted yesterday at 05:49 PM Wired magazine isn’t a fly-by-night outfit. Quote
Tiger337 Posted yesterday at 06:03 PM Posted yesterday at 06:03 PM 8 minutes ago, Screwball said: RE: Epstein Somebody has to wear a tin-foil hat so I will do so. It should come as no surprise they will not release the Epstein stuff. Why? It's complicated. I link to the below books you can get on Amazon. Well documented and cited. Two Volumes. Incredible reading. One Nation Under Blackmail, Vol. 1: The Sordid Union Between Intelligence and Crime that Gave Rise to Jeffrey Epstein One Nation Under Blackmail – Vol. 2: The Sordid Union Between Intelligence and Organized Crime that Gave Rise to Jeffrey Epstein Vol. 2 (2) Over 1000 pages between the two. There is plenty of there there. Your beloved government is crooked as **** - all of them. News at 11. I just looked up Whitney Webb and she may be crazy, but at least she doesn't appear to be politically motivated. She dislikes both parties saying that they both support elite corporate and government interests rather than the public. I won't be buying any of her books, but she got that part right. Quote
Motown Bombers Posted yesterday at 06:14 PM Posted yesterday at 06:14 PM Weird how both parties support elite corporate interests and yet elite corporate interests favor Republicans. 1 Quote
romad1 Posted yesterday at 06:48 PM Posted yesterday at 06:48 PM LFG....keep the crazy swirling. Quote
Tigerbomb13 Posted yesterday at 06:56 PM Posted yesterday at 06:56 PM (edited) Bye bye bingobongo Edited yesterday at 06:58 PM by Tigerbomb13 Quote
oblong Posted yesterday at 07:01 PM Posted yesterday at 07:01 PM 1 hour ago, Screwball said: RE: Epstein Somebody has to wear a tin-foil hat so I will do so. It should come as no surprise they will not release the Epstein stuff. Why? It's complicated. I link to the below books you can get on Amazon. Well documented and cited. Two Volumes. Incredible reading. One Nation Under Blackmail, Vol. 1: The Sordid Union Between Intelligence and Crime that Gave Rise to Jeffrey Epstein One Nation Under Blackmail – Vol. 2: The Sordid Union Between Intelligence and Organized Crime that Gave Rise to Jeffrey Epstein Vol. 2 (2) Over 1000 pages between the two. There is plenty of there there. Your beloved government is crooked as **** - all of them. News at 11. To me that's the only alternative to their being nothing of substance. No in between. I have a hard time thinking the folks in Trumps world would care about this. That's kind of a compliment I guess. They're so far gone they don't care who gets hurt. The only other alternative I guess is that the Biden folks, and his DOJ, were so proper and above board that they didn't do it out of deference to the process itself. Which while admirable is incredibly naive in today's world. 1 Quote
Tiger337 Posted yesterday at 07:02 PM Posted yesterday at 07:02 PM 2 hours ago, Tigerbomb13 said: A Tom Brady shirt wearing MAGA! Who would have thought? Quote
ewsieg Posted yesterday at 07:18 PM Posted yesterday at 07:18 PM 1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said: Weird how both parties support elite corporate interests and yet elite corporate interests favor Republicans. That's exactly what Democrats want their ardent supporters to think. Quote
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