Trumps Presidency 2025

[Motown Bombers]

Trump and Republicans said they wouldn’t negotiate health care until Dems opened the government. They are calling their bluff. If republicans renege, they can shut it down January 30th. 

[MichiganCardinal]

1 hour ago, Sports_Freak said:

It looks to me like a very good democratic deal. Open the government, vote to release the Epstein files and shut the government back down in late January when the MAGA Republicans refuse to extend the subsidies. SNAP will continue in a future shutdown so these horrible people can't use starving people as a political weapon. It's a win-win-win for the democrats.

Trump has had close to 10 years to come up with a health care plan to replace the ACA. It looks like his "theory " was just....another of his countless lies.

I don't know. As one of the people who isn't getting paid right now, it's hard not to see that the lesson learned from these 40 days is that Rs just need to outlast Ds. Rs don't care about collateral consequences. Who cares if the country is starving, or whatever humanitarian crisis results from the next shut down? They just return to their talking points and blame the other side. Likewise, Rs surely don't care that not paying governmental workers, many of whom could make much more in the private sector (but chose federal government for its supposed "mission," "benefits," and "security"), is causing long-term ripple effects in having a significantly worse workforce.

The January shut down might very well go on for even longer. And then what?

[ewsieg]

48 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

so will BLS issue the missed reports or just pass until the next one is due?

No to the first part, maybe to the second part.  Depends if the report looks good or not.

[Sports_Freak]

21 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said:

I don't know. As one of the people who isn't getting paid right now, it's hard not to see that the lesson learned from these 40 days is that Rs just need to outlast Ds. Rs don't care about collateral consequences. Who cares if the country is starving, or whatever humanitarian crisis results from the next shut down? They just return to their talking points and blame the other side. Likewise, Rs surely don't care that not paying governmental workers, many of whom could make much more in the private sector (but chose federal government for its supposed "mission," "benefits," and "security"), is causing long-term ripple effects in having a significantly worse workforce.

The January shut down might very well go on for even longer. And then what?

The Republicans need to come up with something quickly. Trump has been trying to get rid of the ACA for 10 years. He now has 8 weeks to come up with something the citizens and democrats will go along with. I don't see it happening. There will be a year of massive pain in this country with people either paying a huge increase in health care premiums or having to declare medical bankruptcy. This is all going to come back and bite the GOP even as they try to blame the democrats. The GOP has failed the entire country, all they can do is blame Obamacare. They have no plan on how to replace it even after all these years. The midterms are 12 months away and the GOP is going to lose....bigly.

The subsidies needed would cost less than the money Trump gave away to Argentina. America First? Yeah, just more Trump lies.

[Tigeraholic1]

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[MichiganCardinal]

20 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

The Republicans need to come up with something quickly. Trump has been trying to get rid of the ACA for 10 years. He now has 8 weeks to come up with something the citizens and democrats will go along with. I don't see it happening.

Of course it won't. You said it yourself, nothing has changed for ten years, why would it change overnight? The best to be hoped for is the status quo, which is still a bandaid over a bullet hole. And the status quo seems unlikely in the current political climate.

There probably is a reckoning coming for the GOP. Trump's name will (hopefully) never appear on a ballot again. Notwithstanding 2020, they haven't been seriously successful on a ballot his name isn't on since what, 2014? Can they secure the level of crazy vote he brings without him at the helm? To what extent will someone saying they're a MAGA Republican matter as he fades into the sunset?

I won't underestimate that contingent again after 2024, but I don't think it's a given that Trump voters are automatically Vance voters, no more than it was a given that Sanders voters were automatically Clinton voters. A large number are voting for the person, not the party.

[Motown Bombers]

Dems have over performed every election Trump is not on the ballot. You don’t just replace a cult leader. 

[chasfh]

15 hours ago, GalagaGuy said:

The sources this clown uses goes a long way in explaining why his mind is so screwed up.  

Many red hats were normal, or at least within shouting distance of normal, all their lives. Then they took the red pill and now they are literally deranged, which is why they are so worked up about some sort of derangement syndrome they are projecting onto the rest of the country.

[chasfh]

14 hours ago, Sports_Freak said:

I know someone like that IRL. Mayonnaise and electric meters are 2 of his favorite conspiracies. Quite sad to see how his brain has been twisted to no longer face reality and actual science.

Mayonnaise has a conspiracy attached to it? How does it go?

[chasfh]

14 hours ago, guy incognito said:

 

McConnell had the luxury of a party voting constituency with one-track ideologies on his side. The Democratic voting bloc is a coalition of disparate interests whose ardor for the party waxes and wanes with the priority their interests enjoy at that given moment.

[chasfh]

5 hours ago, Sports_Freak said:

MAGA was played...good job by the democrats. Release the Epstein files;

Yes, but healthcare subsidies are still a leverage point, are they not?

[CMRivdogs]

2 minutes ago, chasfh said:

McConnell had the luxury of a party voting constituency with one-track ideologies on his side. The Democratic voting bloc is a coalition of disparate interests whose ardor for the party waxes and wanes with the priority their interests enjoy at that given moment.

And don't forget McConnell caved when it really mattered in 2021, especially with that mamby pamby excuse that the courts would eventually handle Trump. His successor isn't any better and even more of a puppet 

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, Sports_Freak said:

The Republicans need to come up with something quickly. Trump has been trying to get rid of the ACA for 10 years. He now has 8 weeks to come up with something the citizens and democrats will go along with. I don't see it happening. 

Trump ain't got eight weeks to do ****. He doesn't give a flying **** about healthcare for the people—he cares about how to manipulate the issue so he can get good and paid.

Plus, there's a real political reason not to come up with any ACA replacement plan: once it inevitably goes upside down for some large constituency, Republicans would take the blame, which the party has exactly zero interest in doing. So, better to keep ACA on life support and wield it as a political cudgel while they continue to defenestrate until it eventually looks exactly like healthcare 2008, only with prices that are higher by a factor of multiples. That is something they can definitely hammer the Democrats with in 2026, 2028, and beyond, while we all die slow, avoidable MAHA deaths.

[Motown Bombers]

Guess we’re just going to forget this happened under McConnell. 

[MichiganCardinal]

3 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Many red hats were normal, or at least within shouting distance of normal, all their lives. Then they took the red pill and now they are literally deranged, which is why they are so worked up about some sort of derangement syndrome they are projecting onto the rest of the country.

The rise (and fall!) of MAGAism will be studied for generations to come.

Personally, I think a great deal has to do with FOX News coverage of Obama's presidency. You had who was really a moderate liberal in office, who couldn't capitalize in any meaningful way from 2008-2010 and who didn't do much of note from 2010-2016.*

But he was black and his middle name was Hussein. And you had a news station, watched by millions who may not have liked his policies to begin with, who told you 24/7 that the WORLD WAS ENDING under his regime. He was coming for your guns! He was secretly a Muslim! He wasn't even born here!

It was all utter nonsense flavored with a solid dose of racism, but for eight years, that nonsense got a platform. It's all that was fed to a lot of boomers and those who subscribed to those channels (in addition to the others that cropped up, be they InfoWars, Breitbart, etc.), who already lacked a great deal of creative thinking skills.

So in 2012, and the 2016 primaries, when the GOP tried to then pivot and use traditional real-world conservatism, with the Mitt Romneys, John McCains, and John Kasichs of the world (and to a lesser extent even Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio pre-2016), it wasn't going to work. Haven't you heard? The WORLD IS ENDING! Then Trump came along and said "YES! The WORLD IS ENDING! And I'm the only one who can save you all. MAGA."

A cult isn't built in a day. Trump is but a weak, insecure man who was born into swindling the poor and uneducated. It's the infrastructure that built the following he inherited that is really to blame, IMO.

*To be clear, I'm not diminishing Obama's tenure in relation to post-2016, but rather highlighting that he wasn't actually the Antichrist to conservatism.

[Edman85]

16 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said:

The rise (and fall!) of MAGAism will be studied for generations to come.

Personally, I think a great deal has to do with FOX News coverage of Obama's presidency. You had who was really a moderate liberal in office, who couldn't capitalize in any meaningful way from 2008-2010 and who didn't do much of note from 2010-2016.*

But he was black and his middle name was Hussein. And you had a news station, watched by millions who may not have liked his policies to begin with, who told you 24/7 that the WORLD WAS ENDING under his regime. He was coming for your guns! He was secretly a Muslim! He wasn't even born here!

It was all utter nonsense flavored with a solid dose of racism, but for eight years, that nonsense got a platform. It's all that was fed to a lot of boomers and those who subscribed to those channels (in addition to the others that cropped up, be they InfoWars, Breitbart, etc.), who already lacked a great deal of creative thinking skills.

So in 2012, and the 2016 primaries, when the GOP tried to then pivot and use traditional real-world conservatism, with the Mitt Romneys, John McCains, and John Kasichs of the world (and to a lesser extent even Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio pre-2016), it wasn't going to work. Haven't you heard? The WORLD IS ENDING! Then Trump came along and said "YES! The WORLD IS ENDING! And I'm the only one who can save you all. MAGA."

A cult isn't built in a day. Trump is but a weak, insecure man who was born into swindling the poor and uneducated. It's the infrastructure that built the following he inherited that is really to blame, IMO.

*To be clear, I'm not diminishing Obama's tenure in relation to post-2016, but rather highlighting that he wasn't actually the Antichrist to conservatism.

Social media feeds going algorithm based and raking in ad revenue from pumping rage bait into feeds and sending us to our echo chambers.

Twitter's IPO was November 2013. That is around the time the toxic en****ification of social media commenced.

[CMRivdogs]

22 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said:

The rise (and fall!) of MAGAism will be studied for generations to come.

 

*To be clear, I'm not diminishing Obama's tenure in relation to post-2016, but rather highlighting that he wasn't actually the Antichrist to conservatism.

I think it goes back farther. Back to the rise of right wing talk radio. The repeal of the Fairness Doctrine that no longer demanded broadcasters look at both sides of the issues. Throw in the politicization of religion with guys like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell. 
I agree Obama may have been the tipping point for most so called conservatives as they started to flaunt their true colors