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3 hours ago, mtutiger said:

Just a random observation, but while ICE's ostensible charge is centered around enforcing immigration law, it's noticable how little "immigration" factors in to this operation. Or that they aren't even bothering with the pretense that this operation is about "immigration"... It's purely about harassing a large metropolitan area because they can.

If they keep this up, they are going to end up turning "abolish ICE" into something the median voter actually agrees with.

My problem with this is these voters seem to have short memories.  We are 9 years into this and have been thru several dozen moments that should have been turning points for the average “swing” voter.  
 

A point I saw made recently;  

“Our country isn’t like this because we have Donald Trump as our president.  We have Donald Trump as our president because our country is like this”.  
 

This isn’t directed at you but I am tired of “this is the moment it’s over”.  It will never be over until he’s dead.  There are no such moments.   

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1 hour ago, oblong said:

My problem with this is these voters seem to have short memories.  We are 9 years into this and have been thru several dozen moments that should have been turning points for the average “swing” voter.  
 

A point I saw made recently;  

“Our country isn’t like this because we have Donald Trump as our president.  We have Donald Trump as our president because our country is like this”.  
 

This isn’t directed at you but I am tired of “this is the moment it’s over”.  It will never be over until he’s dead.  There are no such moments.   

Definitely not the point I'm trying to make fwiw.

Posted
1 hour ago, smr-nj said:

His life wasn’t threatened.
 

His authority was threatened.

Do you recognize the difference?

 

His manhood was threatened. It's what MAGAMEN fear most

Posted
13 hours ago, oblong said:

 

A point I saw made recently;  

“Our country isn’t like this because we have Donald Trump as our president.  We have Donald Trump as our president because our country is like this”.  
 

This isn’t directed at you but I am tired of “this is the moment it’s over”.  It will never be over until he’s dead.  There are no such moments.   

Agree. I think for a while there we were headed in a direction that would make us better. Unfortunately, judging from comments I've had from people who assumed I felt as they did, I also, deep down, knew that the transformation was far from complete. The only difference now is that people have brought the ugliness to the surface.

And just like removing a cyst-we need to make sure to remove the sac or it will keep coming back. 

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Posted
1 hour ago, mtutiger said:

Behold... One of the dumbest answers ever offered in this history of the Sunday shows.

Keep calling us murderers will make us murder you. 

Posted
1 hour ago, mtutiger said:

Behold... One of the dumbest answers ever offered in this history of the Sunday shows.

Wait, what? Is he low-key threatening the rest of us with continued extrajudicial murder by ICE officers if we continue to question their extrajudicial murdering?

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i’d kind of like to ask the men on this forum to talk to the women in their family right now. Because I have a feeling that not everyone can appreciate what women are feeling at the moment with this latest killing.

Men may say, watching that video and hearing the dialogue that ensued, that they are angry. But I believe at least some women may share with you that what they are is afraid. Angry sure, but women are afraid.

Why? Because we have seen that look that that ICE agents had in their eyes when they approached her car. They’ve seen that look sometime in their lives.

Because men and women have different reactions.

Men are afraid that women will laugh at them.

But women are afraid that men will kill them.

 

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