Trumps Presidency 2025

[romad1]

58 minutes ago, oblong said:

I have 3 FB friends who are done with him and the GOP over it.

For whatever metric that's worth.

The two big names politically associated to this have been Trump and Clinton.  The meme said "One said we have to move on, the other is willing to bring the fight to the public".  
Which one of those two do you think is innocent?

 

well, the guy who wants to fight did the same thing the last time he was accused of misconduct.  

Clinton being the cost of ending Trumpism doesn't worry me at all.  

[Motown Bombers]

Clinton hasn’t been relevant in 25 years. It’s funny MAGA thinks Dems care about Clinton. 

[romad1]

2 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Clinton hasn’t been relevant in 25 years. It’s funny MAGA thinks Dems care about Clinton. 

Remember that Dems in the south were against civil rights?  And the GOP was the party of Lincoln.  

That's supposed to matter when MAGA is wantonly destroying democracy. 

[oblong]

I didn't like Clinton back then, I tolerate him now, but if he's in the files, he can go to.

Dems aren't clinging to him the same way the the GOP are with Trump.

 

[Screwball]

12 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

well, we've got one guy preventing that from happening. Can this stuff be the one thing that sticks to him with his supporters when nothing else has? Who knows, but judging by how long he's kept the lid on it so far, I'm not holding my breath.

Why wasn't something done over the last 20+ years? Look at the names, the pictures, the emails. Over 300 names, and that's probably not all of them. These people all run in the same circles, they know what the hell was going on, and did nothing. Why? Because they are either paid off or blackmailed to STFU and not do anything.

They are all protecting each other. But it's easier to just blame Trump because he's the cause of everything bad in the world. Epstein was first arrested in 2008ish, Maxwell was at Chelsea Clinton's wedding in 2010. Trump had a TV show that year. Epstein was busted again in 2019 so there's a good 8 or 9 more years of Epstein terror to who knows how many victims, and NOBODY did anything. But it's all Trumps fault.

Pull the other one.

[Motown Bombers]

2 hours ago, oblong said:

I didn't like Clinton back then, I tolerate him now, but if he's in the files, he can go to.

Dems aren't clinging to him the same way the the GOP are with Trump.

 

Republicans seem to think Dems will protect their own the way they do. Dems threw their incumbent under the bus because he was old. They forced Franken out over a picture. They aren’t going to back Clinton who hasn’t been president in 25 years. Obama is the new leader of the party. 

[Tigeraholic1]

3 minutes ago, Screwball said:

Why wasn't something done over the last 20+ years? Look at the names, the pictures, the emails. Over 300 names, and that's probably not all of them. These people all run in the same circles, they know what the hell was going on, and did nothing. Why? Because they are either paid off or blackmailed to STFU and not do anything.

They are all protecting each other. But it's easier to just blame Trump because he's the cause of everything bad in the world. Epstein was first arrested in 2008ish, Maxwell was at Chelsea Clinton's wedding in 2010. Trump had a TV show that year. Epstein was busted again in 2019 so there's a good 8 or 9 more years of Epstein terror to who knows how many victims, and NOBODY did anything. But it's all Trumps fault.

Pull the other one.

They will have TDS at least for 3 more years. Then the list will lose their interest. 

[oblong]

You have PLAS, Pedophile Love Affair Syndrome.

[chasfh]

18 hours ago, oblong said:

Is Marco still considered Cuban?

Mark Cuban is more Cuban than Marco.

[chasfh]

13 hours ago, pfife said:

I think the sane side does themselves a disservice by adhering to old unwritten rules that the insane side just ignores.   The not criticizing the successor is one of them.   Obama does the same thing.

I think it would be a fine line between obvious and oblique for Obama to engage in criticism of Trump. He can't make it so obvious that he sounds like Trump himself, and he can't make it so oblique that he sounds like George Bush Jr. He has to find the line where the criticism is clear, but also clearly doesn't look as though it is coming from the gutter like Trump's broadsides do. 

If Obama starts using the language of Trump to slam Trump, he loses in the court of public opinion, meaning the public not in the cult.

[Mr.TaterSalad]

George W. Bush has no right to criticize Donald Trump. Sorry, but when you should be sitting in a prison in the Hauge, having been convicted of human rights violations and war crimes, you don't have a leg to stand on. Hundreds-of-thousands of human beings died because George W. Bush told blatant lies to engage in a war for oil and no-bid contracts for Haliburton. Furthermore, the Bush Administration, under the direction of the Commander in Chief, engaged in the torture of human beings through techniques like waterboarding, starvation, and sicking dogs on people. Let's please not try to sanitize and white wash the record of a noted war criminal.

Edited 3 hours ago by Mr.TaterSalad

[gehringer_2]

49 minutes ago, Screwball said:

Why wasn't something done over the last 20+ years?

fair question. I have no problem with the hammer falling wherever it may on those that covered for any of this in the past.

But action can only take place in the present, and someone is in a position to do something about it now.

If the past were an adequate excuse for the future we'd all still be caves.

Edited 3 hours ago by gehringer_2

[chasfh]

14 hours ago, romad1 said:

To Trump, to Putin its all gangsterism.

I believe this is ground zero to understanding the state of the world today.

For eighty years, the United States had the world by the tail. We may have gone hard in places we shouldn't have, but for the most part we used soft power and economic might to bring the rest of the first world, and most of the attendant satellites, into our orbit. They went along with our agenda willingly, for the most part, because they entrusted us to ensure and protect the peace and prosperity of their countries.

That's no good for Trump. He doesn't want the world by the tail, leading it by admiration and respect. He wants the world by the balls, leading it by fear and pain. He doesn't want other countries to regard themselves as willing partners, because willing partners want to have a say in how things operate. He wants other countries to be nothing more than toadies and supplicants, doing only what they're told while begging for our mercy and/or our discretionary largesse. Trump wants all others to feel the full weight of his power always and forever, because instilling fear and pain in others to make them do things they don't want to do is the yardstick by which he measures his self-worth. He gets his jollies by shaking down those who agree to be shaken down, ruthlessly punishing those who dare to delay being shaken down, and obliterating those who refuse to be shaken down at all.

Not even the best gangsters brutally debase their most loyal subjects for kicks, as a matter of course, in this manner. It's the worst gangsters who do so, repeatedly and gleefully. The best gangsters meet their end with a peaceful death enveloped in the bosom of their families. The worst gangsters meet their bloody end in alleys, barber chairs, and the back seats of limos.

This is what we're facing, and god help the world once this guy achieves his apparent goal of a North Korea-style hermit terrorstate supported by an amoral military, militias, secret police, and civilian snitches.

Edited 2 hours ago by chasfh

[chasfh]

5 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

George W. Bush has no right to criticize Donald Trump. Sorry, but when you should be sitting in a prison in the Hauge, having been convicted of human rights violations and war crimes, you don't have a leg to stand on. Hundreds-of-thousands of human beings died because George W. Bush told blatant lies to engage in a war for oil and no-bid contracts for Haliburton. Furthermore, the Bush Administration, under the direction of the Commander in Chief, engaged in the torture of human beings through techniques like waterboarding, starvation, and sicking dogs on people. Let's please not try to sanitize and white wash the record of a noted war criminal.

While I respect your position on GB Jr., there's only so much alarmism we can allocate at any given time, and we can't afford to divert any of the 100% of the alarmism budget we should by necessity devote to Trump today to muster up outrage over the guy who's been gone from the scene almost 20 years now. There will be time for Junior later in the historical truth and reconciliation stage, but for now, first things first. It's not like we don't care at all about what you're saying him and the objectively awful things he did, but priorities matter here.

[chasfh]

5 hours ago, oblong said:

I have 3 FB friends who are done with him and the GOP over it.

For whatever metric that's worth.

 

Regarding the three friends abandoning Trump (I assume you mean), are these people you are shocked they abandoned him because they were so all in on him? Or are they people you were like, yeah, I can see them leaving Trump, they weren't such nutjobs about him?

[chasfh]

4 hours ago, Sports_Freak said:

My electric and natural gas bill has gone WAY up. And here was a promise this idiot made last year on a visit to Detroit. How will MAGA cult members spin these lies?

 

By ignoring these lies entirely and whatabouting something something Biden Clinton Obama Soros Feinstein.

[chasfh]

3 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

Clinton hasn’t been relevant in 25 years. It’s funny MAGA thinks Dems care about Clinton. 

They have to sell the idea to the red hats of Dems being wackjob disciples of Clinton, so they don't think of themselves as being such wackjobs for being disciples of Trump, which, the MAGA elite don't have to sell that one so hard to the red hats, anyway.

[Sports_Freak]

2 minutes ago, chasfh said:

By ignoring these lies entirely and whatabouting something something Biden Clinton Obama Soros Feinstein.

Arresting media...ordering the DOJ to investigate his political opponents...the corruption is endless...the lies are limitless.

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

They will have TDS at least for 3 more years. Then the list will lose their interest. 

Fun fact: many Americans in the late 30s and early 40s had HDS.

[CMRivdogs]

 

[gehringer_2]

If you haven't heard it, last week Vicky Ward was on Fresh Air. She was one of the first investigative journalists to  work on Epstein, initially before anyone knew anything about the sexual abuse side. She began to uncover more stuff and Epstein got her reporting on him spiked.  At the time for various personal reasons she took her work in a different direction. But one of her interesting holdings is that Epstein had never been into under age girls until he hooked up with Maxwell. In not so many words she's saying it was Maxwell who first cultivated Epstein's proclivities. Doesn't make that much difference in the overall scheme of the larger public issue this has all become and efforts for accountability, but interesting to hear someone who did a lot of earliest research hold that Maxwell was as much or more the driver than Epstein.

[romad1]

22 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Fun fact: many Americans in the late 30s and early 40s had HDS.

 

[Sports_Freak]

I "borrowed" a meme from social media;

[CMRivdogs]

Trump has no memory of what he had for breakfast this morning

 

[oblong]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

Regarding the three friends abandoning Trump (I assume you mean), are these people you are shocked they abandoned him because they were so all in on him? Or are they people you were like, yeah, I can see them leaving Trump, they weren't such nutjobs about him?

The former.