Trumps Presidency 2025

[pfife]

Absolute bad ass of a dude is blind and survives genocide and migrates here (perserverence) and ice kills him.    

Why? 

 

[Tigeraholic1]

4 hours ago, mtutiger said:

Is he really representing the majority of Americans in his capacity as President? There has been qualitative and quantitative evidence that his administration's actions, including their murder of two citizens in Minneapolis, have tanked their credibility on this issue. 

That doesn't even address other issues such as inflation and the economy, where he spent a bunch of time last night telling the American people that everything is great despite all evidence that the American people don't believe it.

Or do you just reject that evidence altogether?

https://www.bls.gov/charts/consumer-price-index/consumer-price-index-by-category-line-chart.htm

 

[Tigeraholic1]

4 hours ago, CMRivdogs said:

When it comes down to it we are all immigrants. Unless we can trace our roots to this continent before 1492, or say 1619 in what is now Virginia

Oh boy another “stolen land” lesson.

[chasfh]

9 hours ago, mtutiger said:

I don't know that fans are under any illusions that a lot of professional athletes are MAGA, particularly in baseball and hockey. But there is a difference between simply harboring those views but otherwise going about your work and putting it in people's faces in a high profile way. 

The US Men's hockey team made a choice by showing up there at the White House and at the Capitol to be used as props for a failing and unpopular President. Particularly after he insulted the women's team. And with that choice, people are going to make judgments on them for better or worse. None of this is particularly surprising

Well, if anyone wants to abandon the Red Wings because of the fruit of Dylan Larkin’s tree, then go ahead. That’s what I’m saying. If he offends them, they should stop following him. But they shouldn’t be surprised if the team they end up following instead has a bunch of Dylan Larkins there, too, and they’d have to make the choice all over again. American professional sports are lousy with red hats.

[gehringer_2]

Check the dates on your own chart. He inherited an economy with a rapidly falling inflation rate. This would be like the Avila/Harris debate except in this case Avila really did already do the work.

[chasfh]

8 hours ago, Sports_Freak said:

I'm glad I turned it off;

 

Me, I’m glad I never turned it on in the first place.

I feel sorry for people who have to cover this guy for a living. It must be mentally, emotionally, and psychically exhausting.

[gehringer_2]

Just now, chasfh said:

Me, I’m glad I never turned it on in the first place.

I feel sorry for people who have to cover this guy for a living. It must be mentally, emotionally, and psychically exhausting.

that's what he counts on.

[chasfh]

5 hours ago, romad1 said:

So you are saying the blow-out in November will definitely happen unless he does something to court non-MAGA voters between now and then and he won't so...good. 

I’m pretty sure he has other plans to make sure his people get sworn into the House on January 3rd by Mike Johnson.

[Tigeraholic1]

3 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Check the dates on your own chart. He inherited an economy with a rapidly falling inflation rate. This would be like the Avila/Harris debate except in this case Avila really did already do the work.

So inflation is skyrocketing under Trump? 

[chasfh]

5 hours ago, oblong said:

It’s the “Christian” thing to do to mock and dehumanize them.  The can wear their crosses and praise Jesus after winning a sporting event and pretend all is good and that makes them morally superior. It doesn’t. It’s hypocritical bull**** . All while “Bench pressing” 315 pounds allegedly.  Trump supporters today are pathetic excuses for human beings.  Phony Christians. 

It’s the Christian right thing to do, at any rate.

[gehringer_2]

4 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

So inflation is skyrocketing under Trump? 

Rule one: Correlation /= Causation.

Trump has been completely irrelevant to inflation. In fact by pushing the Fed to loosen money more than they were willing to, he was moving to make it worse if he could have, so he gets no credit for other people whose actions he opposed tooth and nail having done a good job despite him.

Edited 13 hours ago by gehringer_2

[chasfh]

33 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

May need to keep an eye on this in case TACO gets any ideas.

 

I don’t know if Trump will declare any kind of emergency prior to the election in order to broke it. I think it’s more likely they run the election, putting their thumbs on the scales as much as possible with lawfare, and if it turns out the returns show the Democrats winning, the Trump people will simply tie up all the contestable elections in court in an effort to prevent Democrats taking office. They’ll be doing this on the state level in several states where Republicans get smoked off the ballot, too. Twenty twenty-seven is going to be a complete mess in Washington and statehouses cross the country.

[mtutiger]

14 minutes ago, chasfh said:

American professional sports are lousy with red hats.

Again, I think there's a difference between simply holding those views and going about your business and, well, whatever the US Men's Hockey team decided to do after their win. 

In that context, it's not at all surprising people have opinions and are making judgments for better or worse. I don't think it's simply because of the views, but how they have decided to comport themselves.

[chasfh]

1 minute ago, mtutiger said:

Again, I think there's a difference between simply holding those views and going about your business and, well, whatever the US Men's Hockey team decided to do after their win. 

In that context, it's not at all surprising people have opinions and are making judgments for better or worse. I don't think it's simply because of the views, but how they have decided to comport themselves.

In light of this, what’s your approach to following sports?

[pfife]

One of the best parts about UFC is watching magas pummel each other

[mtutiger]

11 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Rule one: Correlation /= Causation.

Trump has been completely irrelevant to inflation. In fact by pushing the Fed to loosen money more than they were willing to, he was moving to make it worse if he could have, so he gets no credit for other people whose actions he opposed tooth and nail having done a good job despite him.

He's also, in his infinite wisdom, continued to wrap himself in a wildly unpopular policy (ie. tariffs) that Americans associate with higher prices on goods. And he continues to double, triple, quadruple down on it... even as SCOTUS seemingly gave him an off-ramp to readjust.

He bears a lot of responsibility for how people view his Presidency, even if the reality of inflation and the economy comes with some nuance that isn't necessarily reflected in public opinion. That's just the job

[Tiger337]

I have long believed that professional sports is filled with narcissistic "alpha males" and that I wouldn't enjoying hanging out with most of them on a regular basis.  They are not my friends though, so it doesn't matter.  They are great entertainers.

[mtutiger]

6 minutes ago, chasfh said:

In light of this, what’s your approach to following sports?

I usually turn on my TV or pull up whatever app a game I want to watch happens to be on, and then I watch. Usually MLB, a little bit of NFL and NCAA Hoops. Less time with two kids tho

[mtutiger]

16 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

I have long believed that professional sports is filled with narcissistic "alpha males" and that I wouldn't enjoying hanging out with most of them on a regular basis.  They are not my friends though, so it doesn't matter.  They are great entertainers.

I don't think or care about their politics. Imagine most fans are like this. But when they go out and do stupid **** that draws attention to their politics, why wouldn't one expect people in the broader public to cast judgment on them?

It's no different than when Matt Shaw decided to go skip out on his teammates to attend Charlie Kirk's funeral. I'm guessing many Cubs fans had no clue one way or another about his politics, or if they did, didn't care that much about it. But he made a choice in that moment to draw attention toward his politics and it altered some fans' perception of him as a person. Fair or unfair

Just don't find that outcome as being particularly surprising... When athletes get political, the broader public is inevitably going to hold opinions (good or bad)

Edited 12 hours ago by mtutiger

[gehringer_2]

and part of this is that we are in what John LeCarre would have called a 'silly season'. There used to be some level of separation between the office and then person or the politics. Like the line from Band of Brothers - "you salute the rank, not the man". 

But the problem is that is a two way street. When Presidents refrained from using the ceremonial aspects of the office for personal political ends, then they could expect people to respect the office irrespective of the occupant. But when the occupant doesn't respect the office or the institutions represented, then that level of respect from the public is likely to be withheld. But a lot of people are still sort of lost in transition - they may know full well Trump is jerk (even if they do vote GOP for tax purposes) but still think it's too rude to refuse the President - and of course a range of views on both sides around that. Trump is obviously a much more uniformly negative  figure for young independent women, so the difference in the response of the men's and women's team is not surprising.

[guy incognito]

3 hours ago, pfife said:

Absolute bad ass of a dude is blind and survives genocide and migrates here (perserverence) and ice kills him.    

Why? 

 

I’ll take “our bigoted authoritarian pig of a ‘president’ and the lamentably sizable number of people who helped bring him to power” for starters.

[oblong]

8 hours ago, mtutiger said:

Again, I think there's a difference between simply holding those views and going about your business and, well, whatever the US Men's Hockey team decided to do after their win. 

In that context, it's not at all surprising people have opinions and are making judgments for better or worse. I don't think it's simply because of the views, but how they have decided to comport themselves.

I'm not even sure they "have" opinions like we do.  They probably give it very little thought and just go about how believing how they were raised but it's very surface level.  Especially those in team sports where they play a lot of games.  They're not thinking about this stuff.

Unless one of the team USA players comes out explicitly in support of the president and the policies I'm going to assume they are just along for the ride of enjoying olympic gold until they have to go back to their teams this week.

[romad1]

9 hours ago, chasfh said:

I’m pretty sure he has other plans to make sure his people get sworn into the House on January 3rd by Mike Johnson.

Plans are one thing but be sure your doom speak doesn't lead to despair.   Mobilization is critical but organization is as important.   A main thing they tell you to do in survival school is keep the faith.  The ridiculousness of the handbook they gave us was "sing patriotic tunes to yourself" 

The current manual has this: 

Quote

4.18.4. Overcoming Fear

36 Every person has goals and desires. The greatest values exercise the greatest influence. Because of strong religious, moral, or patriotic values, people have been known to face torture and death calmly rather than reveal information or compromise a principle. Fear can kill or it can save lives. It is a normal reaction to danger. By understanding and controlling fear through training, knowledge, and effective group action, fear can be overcome

 

[mtutiger]

1 hour ago, oblong said:

I'm not even sure they "have" opinions like we do.  They probably give it very little thought and just go about how believing how they were raised but it's very surface level.  Especially those in team sports where they play a lot of games.  They're not thinking about this stuff.

Unless one of the team USA players comes out explicitly in support of the president and the policies I'm going to assume they are just along for the ride of enjoying olympic gold until they have to go back to their teams this week.

This is fair, although when you consider that team invited the FBI Director into the locker room after they won and that five of their teammates (mostly from Minnesota) chose not to go to the White House, suspect they know more than you are crediting.

Either way, best case scenario is the people managing the team didn't protect these guys well enough surrounding their win IMO. Just none of the reaction to being seen embracing a President who politicizes everything (and who is deeply unpopular) is all that surprising from a PR perspective 

Edited 2 hours ago by mtutiger

[Tigeraholic1]

10 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

Rule one: Correlation /= Causation.

Trump has been completely irrelevant to inflation. In fact by pushing the Fed to loosen money more than they were willing to, he was moving to make it worse if he could have, so he gets no credit for other people whose actions he opposed tooth and nail having done a good job despite him.

So in other words inflation is under control. .