Trumps Presidency 2025

[Tiger337]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

I'm not aware of the left resorting to lies and misinformation that have nearly the same influence and impact on as many people in their orbit as the lies and information flowing non-stop out of the very influential and impactful far right have on theirs. I'll even go as far as to say I don't think it's even happening. That's why I asked.

He didn't say the misinformation has the same impact as the right. It does exist and I can't believe you have not seen it.  I see it all the time and it's frustrating.  I frequently have to block accounts on social media.     

[oblong]

5 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

He didn't say the misinformation has the same impact as the right. It does exist and I can't believe you have not seen it.  I see it all the time and it's frustrating.  I frequently have to block accounts on social media.     

Yep.  Several of my leftie friends are always sharing stuff that's wrong.  A lot of it comes from Occupy Democrats.  And some of it gets shared here.

I'll throw out an example.  On Good Friday a big fuss was made, and i fell for it too, about the Pentagon "Banning Catholics" from a service.  That's not what happened.  The Pentagon held a Good Friday service and specified there would not be a catholic mass. People took that to mean a snub.  It actually wasn't.  Catholics don't celebrate a mass on Good Friday.  They will go to church and do stations of the cross and all of that but it's specifically not a mass, by design.  I viewed that as kind of an expectation setter that this is not going to be  mass if you were expecting one.  Catholics could still go to the service.

 

[Motown Bombers]

Bernie Sanders for the past 10 years has said elections he lost by 3.7 and 10 million votes were rigged. It’s where Trump picked up the rigged election denialism. 

[Motown Bombers]

 

[romad1]

20 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

 

November and January can't get here soon enough.   

[Sports_Freak]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

I'm not aware of the left resorting to lies and misinformation that have nearly the same influence and impact on as many people in their orbit as the lies and information flowing non-stop out of the very influential and impactful far right have on theirs. I'll even go as far as to say I don't think it's even happening. That's why I asked.

It's out there. Most are no longer on my feed after blocking many of them...I'll link some of the lies when I come across them for you to see. I'm not sure how influential they are to other people, I usually don't believe many of the things they say without looking it up and seeing collaboration. And yes, the outrageous rightwing lies are much worse (space lasers...controlling the weather)  but I stand by my statement that Twitter has many false tweets from the left that are just looking to build outrage.

[Motown Bombers]

38 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Bernie Sanders for the past 10 years has said elections he lost by 3.7 and 10 million votes were rigged. It’s where Trump picked up the rigged election denialism. 

Since apparently people think this is funny, here’s Bernie Sanders agreeing with alleged Democrats that Democrats are a threat to democracy over an election he lost by 3.7 million votes. The right than takes this misinformation and launders it to their followers. 

 

[pfife]

3 hours ago, chasfh said:

According to this meme, the US can pull out of NATO with a two-thirds vote by the Senate OR an “act of Congress”. What exactly do they mean by “act of Congress”? How is that different from the two-thirds Senate vote which, apparently, require no action by the House? Why is it an either-or and not a two-thirds vote by both? Genuinely confused by this.

Yeah I feel like if congress passed a law before saying it took 2/3 of both houses they could just pass a new bill that says it doesnt need 2/3 of both houses anymore and the new bill would only need the typical majority in the house and 60 for senate fillibuster

[pfife]

Lol at blaming bernie for something trump did.   Seems hypocritical since you just tried to blast the left for attacking dems and not gop when you attack the left and cover for trunp

Edited 3 hours ago by pfife

[Motown Bombers]

Bernie Sanders says this election was rigged. Keep in mind the DNC changed the rules to appease him.

[pfife]

That's where trump learned it, jan 6 is bernies fault too

Edited 3 hours ago by pfife

[Motown Bombers]

Trump learned it after Bernie Sanders said this election was rigged:

[Tiger337]

29 minutes ago, pfife said:

That's where trump learned it, jan 6 is bernies fault too

Sanders has often talked about tariffs, so those are his fault too.  

[Motown Bombers]

Yeah Bernie Sanders brought up NAFTA before Trump too. Sure, use January 6th as a straw man and wave off the fact that Bernie Sanders is agreeing publicly that Democrats are a threat to Democracy. It's literally being used by right wing disinformation accounts. 

Edited 2 hours ago by Motown Bombers

[oblong]

There is a contingent of Obama/Trump voters.  I think Bernie played into their thinking.

 

[Motown Bombers]

By the way, Andrew Schultz voted for Trump despite saying he’s a lifelong Democrat. After Schultz voted for Trump, Sanders goes on his podcast and agrees with these MAGA podbro chuckle****s that Democrats are a threat to democracy. 

[chasfh]

3 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

The far left certainly engages in misinformation and unfortunately it’s aimed at Democrats and not Republicans. 

I was asking for some examples of this, instead of having to simply take someone's word for it.

[chasfh]

3 hours ago, TJ Rollercoaster said:

 

Never mind that, what about this?? Pay attention to this, not that!

 

[romad1]

what the hell is going on with Melania? 

 

[romad1]

what in the hell is going on here?

[romad1]

 

[chasfh]

3 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

He didn't say the misinformation has the same impact as the right. It does exist and I can't believe you have not seen it.  I see it all the time and it's frustrating.  I frequently have to block accounts on social media.     

The impact it has is the whole ballgame. It's the only reason to even have this discussion in the first place.

Who cares what some left-wing loonspud with 116 followers says? Do you regard them as representative of the Democratic Party? I sure don't. Certainly not in the same way right wing social media with massive followings represents the Republican Party, spouting lies and disinformation that not only directly influence actual policy being made by the Trump administration, but they've actually infiltrated our government. That, my friend, is impact worth discussing.

Show me anyone on the left like that, then let's talk about it.

[Mr.TaterSalad]

1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said:

Yeah Bernie Sanders brought up NAFTA before Trump too. Sure, use January 6th as a straw man and wave off the fact that Bernie Sanders is agreeing publicly that Democrats are a threat to Democracy. It's literally being used by right wing disinformation accounts. 

NAFTA was an unmitigated disaster. It's amazing that you could live in a manufacturing state, hallowed out in part by NAFTA, and not agree with Bernie on that. We lost over 25,000 jobs here in the auto industry alone according to Economic Policy Institute data because of NAFTA.

[Motown Bombers]

26 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I was asking for some examples of this, instead of having to simply take someone's word for it.

I have provided an example. 

[chasfh]

3 hours ago, oblong said:

Yep.  Several of my leftie friends are always sharing stuff that's wrong.  A lot of it comes from Occupy Democrats.  And some of it gets shared here.

I'll throw out an example.  On Good Friday a big fuss was made, and i fell for it too, about the Pentagon "Banning Catholics" from a service.  That's not what happened.  The Pentagon held a Good Friday service and specified there would not be a catholic mass. People took that to mean a snub.  It actually wasn't.  Catholics don't celebrate a mass on Good Friday.  They will go to church and do stations of the cross and all of that but it's specifically not a mass, by design.  I viewed that as kind of an expectation setter that this is not going to be  mass if you were expecting one.  Catholics could still go to the service.

 

Occupy Democrats is as close as we can probably come to finding any leftist social media organization with the kind of scale that even comes close to match any number of right wing social media bomb-throwers, but despite the presence of "Democrats" in the title, they have exactly zero influence on the Democratic Party platform. Any agreement between Occupy Democrats and the Democratic Party is incidental, not direct. As far as I can tell, they don't talk.