2025 Lions offseason

[RedRamage]

On 7/30/2025 at 6:33 PM, Sports_Freak said:

LMAO...Gardner White is offering refunds on any furniture purchased if the Lions win the Super Bowl again this season. I bet they were sweating last year. Prolly rooting against the Lions to win.

My guess is that bought insurance against this.

[lordstanley]

 

[Motor City Sonics]

Figure out a way to do it and do it now.   I don't care about 2028

[RedRamage]

I wonder what the price would be. Would you pay two firsts?

[Tigeraholic1]

1 minute ago, RedRamage said:

I wonder what the price would be. Would you pay two firsts?

Everything I am readiing suggests a Khalil Mack type package would get it done.

[RedRamage]

4 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Everything I am readiing suggests a Khalil Mack type package would get it done.

Wow... a second and a sixth round pick?

Oh... you mean the FIRST Khalil Mack trade...

Two 1st, a 3rd and a 6th in exchange for a 2nd and a conditional 5th... plus Mack of course. Feels like a lot given the way that Holmes drafts. Plus of course I'd assume that this would also require a new big contract for Parsons, which might limit the Lions ability to resign other people... Not 100% sure I'd do that. Not 100% sure I'd not do it either... but it's not an automatic yes from me.

[Tigeraholic1]

27 minutes ago, RedRamage said:

Wow... a second and a sixth round pick?

Oh... you mean the FIRST Khalil Mack trade...

Two 1st, a 3rd and a 6th in exchange for a 2nd and a conditional 5th... plus Mack of course. Feels like a lot given the way that Holmes drafts. Plus of course I'd assume that this would also require a new big contract for Parsons, which might limit the Lions ability to resign other people... Not 100% sure I'd do that. Not 100% sure I'd not do it either... but it's not an automatic yes from me.

Yes that deal lol. Parsons is gonna want a huge payd and Hutch would be next. That would be some yuuuge money for the D-line, I still do it!

[sagnam]

It would cost a lot, but ... I don't know, 24 and 26 year-old elite pass rushers. That would make a bunch of defensive positions better immediately.

[MichiganCardinal]

If the Lions made a call on Maxx Crosby I’m sure they’ll make a call on Micah Parsons. The question becomes though what you’re willing to give up — both draft capital wise and contract extension wise.

If they traded for Parsons and extended both him and Hutch, you’re not extending Jamo, and probably not 2-3 of Gibbs/Campbell/LaPorta/Branch.

Is that worth it? Maybe. Parsons is a damn good football player. But you’re also setting yourself up for a bare cupboard in a few years unless you can really hit on some mid-round picks.

I tend to think there will be a higher bidder somewhere in the NFL.

[holygoat]

I don't think they're gonna extend Jamo regardless.

[Motor City Sonics]

8 hours ago, MichiganCardinal said:

If the Lions made a call on Maxx Crosby I’m sure they’ll make a call on Micah Parsons. The question becomes though what you’re willing to give up — both draft capital wise and contract extension wise.

If they traded for Parsons and extended both him and Hutch, you’re not extending Jamo, and probably not 2-3 of Gibbs/Campbell/LaPorta/Branch.

Is that worth it? Maybe. Parsons is a damn good football player. But you’re also setting yourself up for a bare cupboard in a few years unless you can really hit on some mid-round picks.

I tend to think there will be a higher bidder somewhere in the NFL.

GO FOR IT NOW.    Yep, 2027 and 2028 might not be great, but go for it now.     Two firsts (which would likely be very late in the first)   Go get that guy.   He changes the whole defense, he really does.  He keeps OCs up at night.   The Lions can't keep everyone anyway.      Now is not the time to concern ourselves with draft picks, we used     draft picks to build this thing  and they are in their peak right now.  This window probably has 5 years max and we are in year 3.      So something similar to the Mack deal would look like this

2026 1st rounder  (probably pick 29-32)

2027 1st round   (probably after pick 25)

2026 6th Round

2027 3rd Round   (pretty close to being a 4th rounder).   

 

Sure, I'd do that.   In a heartbeat.    

[Motor City Sonics]

4 hours ago, holygoat said:

I don't think they're gonna extend Jamo regardless.

I don't think so either.   So he has a big year.   He'll have a few more big years, but I don't know what he is when he loses a step and I feel like that'll happen quickly.   He also feels like a guy who might, just might, do something stupid to derail his career.      St. Brown and Monty are the guy you ride with long term.   The Chiefs survived losing  Hill, the Lions can survive losing Williams.    They may have made another draft steal with TeSlaa anyway.       Those elite speed guys are great, but that elite speed does not last that long and you can find others.  

[Jason_R]

If I say there is a zero percent chance of this happening, watch it happen and make me look like a fool, but there is a zero percent chance of this happening. 

He'll end up with the Eagles or the Chiefs. 

[MichiganCardinal]

1 hour ago, Motor City Sonics said:

GO FOR IT NOW.    Yep, 2027 and 2028 might not be great, but go for it now.     Two firsts (which would likely be very late in the first)   Go get that guy.   He changes the whole defense, he really does.  He keeps OCs up at night.   The Lions can't keep everyone anyway.      Now is not the time to concern ourselves with draft picks, we used     draft picks to build this thing  and they are in their peak right now.  This window probably has 5 years max and we are in year 3.      So something similar to the Mack deal would look like this

2026 1st rounder  (probably pick 29-32)

2027 1st round   (probably after pick 25)

2026 6th Round

2027 3rd Round   (pretty close to being a 4th rounder).   

 

Sure, I'd do that.   In a heartbeat.    

I hear this point of view but I don’t think it’s Brad’s style. He’s dismissed the notion of a window before, and trading for and signing Paraons would mean we have a 2-3 year window.

I think Brad’s style is more aligned with being consistently 10-7 or better and hoping you can string together three straight in January. Which has its own merits, but ask Pittsburgh how it’s worked out for them lately.

[MichiganCardinal]

1 hour ago, Jason_R said:

If I say there is a zero percent chance of this happening, watch it happen and make me look like a fool, but there is a zero percent chance of this happening. 

He'll end up with the Eagles or the Chiefs. 

Zero chance he goes to the Eagles. I think odds are Jerry Jones folds and he signs a mega-deal with the Cowboys.

Chiefs are a real chance if he is moved. I’d put the Patriots, Rams, and Bears as the three most likely destinations outside of Dallas.

I give it a 2% chance he’s a Lion.

Edited 2 hours ago by MichiganCardinal

[Mr.TaterSalad]

Holmes will not trade for Parsons. Just as he won't trade for Trey Hendrickson, Myles Garrett, or any name we want him to. The guy Holmes might draft a year or two years from now in the first round is more valuable to him than Micah Parsons. The culture they've built in their locker room is more valuable than allowing one guy to come in and potentially disrupt it. For better or for worse, Holmes likes his players, that he drafted. He values guys that his front office scouted, got to know, and drafted. He also values cap flexibility and not being in salary cap hell because you made a few splashy moves on big name, high priced players.

There is no "win now" mode or "eff them picks" mode with Brad Holmes. There is no belief that our window is now and might close later because in Brad's mind, he's building a sustainable team that can win for years to come. Which is surprising considering his boss Les Snead in LA was all about win now and eff them picks. This mantra is a bit of the smartest guy in the room, but if it works, you're the genius.

Holmes believes in himself, his scouts, and his plan above all else. It is a slow and steady race to the top and nothing will get him to deviate from that.

Edited 2 hours ago by Mr.TaterSalad

[NYLion]

7 hours ago, holygoat said:

I don't think they're gonna extend Jamo regardless.

Based on what? If he continues on this trajectory I'd argue that he's the highest priority signing left of the core outside of Hutchinson and maybe Gibbs. I don't think it's a guarantee by any means that they extend Jamo but I'd say it's more than 50/50, Holmes takes care of his guys his core guys.

As for Parsons, why are we even discussing this? Holmes doesn't even want to pay Za'Darius Smith lol so he sure as hell isn't giving up the massive picks package for Parsons and then signing him for $40m+/yr.  All these guys that request trades get signed and I expect the same for Parsons, Hendrickson and McLaurin.

Edited 2 hours ago by NYLion

[Motown Bombers]

1 hour ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Holmes will not trade for Parsons. Just as he won't trade for Trey Hendrickson, Myles Garrett, or any name we want him to. The guy Holmes might draft a year or two years from now in the first round is more valuable to him than Micah Parsons. The culture they've built in their locker room is more valuable than allowing one guy to come in and potentially disrupt it. For better or for worse, Holmes likes his players, that he drafted. He values guys that his front office scouted, got to know, and drafted. He also values cap flexibility and not being in salary cap hell because you made a few splashy moves on big name, high priced players.

There is no "win now" mode or "eff them picks" mode with Brad Holmes. There is no belief that our window is now and might close later because in Brad's mind, he's building a sustainable team that can win for years to come. Which is surprising considering his boss Les Snead in LA was all about win now and eff them picks. This mantra is a bit of the smartest guy in the room, but if it works, you're the genius.

Holmes believes in himself, his scouts, and his plan above all else. It is a slow and steady race to the top and nothing will get him to deviate from that.

If Holmes traded for any one of the shiny objects you wanted before, there would be no room for Parsons, or Hutchinson, or potentially Laporta, Branch, Gibbs, Williams, etc. To bring this to reality, no team can afford to pay over $80 million in just pass rushers. On top of that, Parsons isn't even a scheme fit. He's not the physical edge setter who is stout in the run game like the Lions want. 

BTW, neither Garrett or Hendrickson have been traded and Parsons may not either. 

[Motown Bombers]

Might as well get it over with, why won't Brad Holmes trade for Terry McLaurin? 

[Hongbit]

20 hours ago, RedRamage said:

I wonder what the price would be. Would you pay two firsts?

I feel the exact same as I did with Garrett, Crosby, or Hendrickson.  I’d give them 3 or 4 1st’s.  

Brad was on a Rams staff that showed that you maintain and improve a strong existing core by trading high picks for veteran pro bowlers.  

These picks will be in the late 20’s or early 30’s.   It’s not the same as a top 10 pick.

[Jason_R]

2 hours ago, MichiganCardinal said:

Zero chance he goes to the Eagles. I think odds are Jerry Jones folds and he signs a mega-deal with the Cowboys.

Chiefs are a real chance if he is moved. I’d put the Patriots, Rams, and Bears as the three most likely destinations outside of Dallas.

I give it a 2% chance he’s a Lion.

Of course I'm being facetious here... KC and Philly always seem to end up with players nobody thought they'd get.

I think it's probably 50/50 now between Dallas and the field. "My trade request was submitted to Stephen Jones personally." Parsons leaves a bit of room here for Jerry to swoop in and get something done.