Michigan Football 2025: Rebuilding an offense, hoping our defense remains solid

[GalagaGuy]

Surprising that they're letting Michigan stick with suspending Moore for games 3 and 4 this season.   But I guess he's missing out on a trip to Germany next year so that's the real punishment.  

Edited Friday at 03:45 PM by GalagaGuy

[RedTeamGo!]

My favorite part is that the NCAA admits it was glaringly obvious they did it and it was impermissible. They said it warranted a 2 year posteason ban but aren't going to do it because "won't anyone think of the children???"

The moral of the story is: If you are a big college football brand you can cheat, just have to pay a fine if you get caught. Also, deny deny deny deny. 

[GalagaGuy]

4 minutes ago, RedTeamGo! said:

My favorite part is that the NCAA admits it was glaringly obvious they did it and it was impermissible. They said it warranted a 2 year posteason ban but aren't going to do it because "won't anyone think of the children???"

The moral of the story is: If you are a big college football brand you can cheat, just have to pay a fine if you get caught. Also, deny deny deny deny. 

Sparty fan detected.  🤣

[GalagaGuy]

What people need to remember here is that the NCAA adopted a new constitution back in 2022 that put emphasis on punishing people, not programs or the athletes.   Tennessee was hit with 18 level 1 violations, three times as many as Michigan, and didn't receive a post-season ban.  

[romad1]

Harbaugh and Stallions:  our crazy ex girlfriends

[MichiganCardinal]

MSU and OSU slappies since 2023: "The hammer is going to drop any day now!"

The Hammer that dropped:

[romad1]

Possible complications might ensue if the current US President sees this as an opportunity to placate a couple red state fanbases by getting involved.  

[MichiganCardinal]

37 minutes ago, romad1 said:

Harbaugh and Stallions:  our crazy ex girlfriends

If you told me in 2015 that the Harbaugh saga at Michigan would end in ten years with one National Championship and a total of 14 years in show-cause penalties, I would be thoroughly impressed in Michigan's embrace of modern day college football.

[RatkoVarda]

"The NCAA is so mad at Kentucky they're going to give Cleveland State another year of probation." - Jerry Tarkanian

LOL, UM is a major profit center for everyone; no way the NCAA was going to do anything that hurts the bottom line; but the next small school to do anything wrong is going to get hammered.

[Hongbit]

1 hour ago, RatkoVarda said:

"The NCAA is so mad at Kentucky they're going to give Cleveland State another year of probation." - Jerry Tarkanian

LOL, UM is a major profit center for everyone; no way the NCAA was going to do anything that hurts the bottom line; but the next small school to do anything wrong is going to get hammered.

I don’t think it has anything to do with UM’s money being a profit center for the NCAA.   The cash just means they have the money to sue the NCAA in an actual court of law if they don’t like the ruling or penalties.  Tennessee did this exact move and the NCAA folded like a cheap suit at the first sign UT was serious about litigation.  

[RedTeamGo!]

2 hours ago, MichiganCardinal said:

MSU and OSU slappies since 2023: "The hammer is going to drop any day now!"

The Hammer that dropped:

To be fair, if Harbaugh didn't run for the hills - this likely would have looked different. Moore wasn't the HC, so the punishment on the HC wouldn't have been the same. 

But yeah, this "punishment" is a joke with the NCAA flat out saying there was more than enough evidence to levy a 2 season posteason ban, but they didn't want to "punish" the kids or whatever BS. 

Basically it was announced by the NCAA today that if you are a blue blood, go ahead and cheat and make sure you deny deny deny, no real repercussions. 

Will be interesting to see how far programs like OSU, Bama, Florida, Florida St, USC, etc go now that they know they can get away with anything. Michigan too, they found out today they can get away with flat out cheating, lmao. Will be interesting to see how much they double down now. Especially now that the illusion of the "michigan man moral superiority" is completely crushed. 

That sound you hear is all the major blue bloods closing their compliance offices effective immediately. 

Edited Friday at 08:17 PM by RedTeamGo!

[gehringer_2]

41 minutes ago, RedTeamGo! said:

closing their compliance offices effective immediately. 

what does cheating mean in the pro college sport era? Most of what a compliance office used to do was police the kind of penny ante financial stuff like Harbaugh's hamburgers. That stuff doesn't even parse any more for pros being offered 7 figures. I think in the future most penalties are going to be individual as opposed to institutional. The future will all look more  like Hinch's Houston Astros pitch tipping case - i.e. mostly individual penalties. Professional leagues don't punish member teams as teams very much. 

Edited Friday at 08:56 PM by gehringer_2

[romad1]

53 minutes ago, RedTeamGo! said:

To be fair, if Harbaugh didn't run for the hills - this likely would have looked different. Moore wasn't the HC, so the punishment on the HC wouldn't have been the same. 

But yeah, this "punishment" is a joke with the NCAA flat out saying there was more than enough evidence to levy a 2 season posteason ban, but they didn't want to "punish" the kids or whatever BS. 

Basically it was announced by the NCAA today that if you are a blue blood, go ahead and cheat and make sure you deny deny deny, no real repercussions. 

Will be interesting to see how far programs like OSU, Bama, Florida, Florida St, USC, etc go now that they know they can get away with anything. Michigan too, they found out today they can get away with flat out cheating, lmao. Will be interesting to see how much they double down now. Especially now that the illusion of the "michigan man moral superiority" is completely crushed. 

That sound you hear is all the major blue bloods closing their compliance offices effective immediately. 

It was announced that if you are a Northern team you no longer have a double standard compared to the SEC. 

[buddha]

the penalties would have been negligible if harbaugh had cooperated from the beginning and not been an ass about it.  

the ncaa has a hard on for michigan but part of that is because harbaugh refused to cooperate with them.  yes, that's because he recognized that the ncaa is a joke organization who is handing out punishments to him for buying a kid a hamburger while ignoring the university of miami buying kids hookers and maseratis.

but its his JOB to cooperate and he refused, so the university has to pay.

he's one of the best football coaches ever, but he's also a ****.  and that cost michigan in this instance.

the stalions stuff is really a non issue.  a slap on the wrist offense that is a minor violation.  everyone steals signs.  but its the cover up and the repeated lack of cooperation that is the "crime" here.

[GalagaGuy]

 

[MichiganCardinal]

2 hours ago, RedTeamGo! said:

To be fair, if Harbaugh didn't run for the hills - this likely would have looked different. Moore wasn't the HC, so the punishment on the HC wouldn't have been the same. 

But yeah, this "punishment" is a joke with the NCAA flat out saying there was more than enough evidence to levy a 2 season posteason ban, but they didn't want to "punish" the kids or whatever BS. 

Basically it was announced by the NCAA today that if you are a blue blood, go ahead and cheat and make sure you deny deny deny, no real repercussions. 

Will be interesting to see how far programs like OSU, Bama, Florida, Florida St, USC, etc go now that they know they can get away with anything. Michigan too, they found out today they can get away with flat out cheating, lmao. Will be interesting to see how much they double down now. Especially now that the illusion of the "michigan man moral superiority" is completely crushed. 

That sound you hear is all the major blue bloods closing their compliance offices effective immediately. 

They were never going to "bring the hammer" down on a blue blood in 2025 like they historically did to USC, SMU, or even Ohio State. You could throw Penn State in there too, but that was a pretty different set of circumstances. The NCAA's very existence is on its heels after recent court rulings. The last thing they wanted to do was give Warde Manual a reason to be the inaugural Chairman of the new B1G-SEC football league. It's not about denial, if anything that made it worse. It's about what the NCAA thinks they can actually get away with right now.

They probably issued a huge sigh of relief when Harbaugh left town. They could "bring the hammer" down on him without totally frustrating the remaining infrastructure of the university. They're a joke of an organization struggling to retain a shred of dignity.

[gehringer_2]

3 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said:

They were never going to "bring the hammer" down on a blue blood in 2025 like they historically did to USC, SMU, or even Ohio State. You could throw Penn State in there too, but that was a pretty different set of circumstances. The NCAA's very existence is on its heels after recent court rulings. The last thing they wanted to do was give Warde Manual a reason to be the inaugural Chairman of the new B1G-SEC football league. It's not about denial, if anything that made it worse. It's about what the NCAA thinks they can actually get away with right now.

They probably issued a huge sigh of relief when Harbaugh left town. They could "bring the hammer" down on him without totally frustrating the remaining infrastructure of the university. They're a joke of an organization struggling to retain a shred of dignity.

that - absolutely. And they may get exactly that anyway. Though the interim status of the current University President argues that a move that bold might not be on the table -- for now. 

[MichiganCardinal]

47 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

 

I'm not surprised to see them appeal. The suspension is stupid, it's the NCAA trying to make the punishment seem harsher than Michigan offered. The entire charade of suspending him for CMU and Nebraska instead of New Mexico and Oklahoma they are okay with, but make sure you add in a game next year against Western Michigan or UTEP too? Come on now.

The real thing is the money. $20MM means nothing to the football program. They don't rely on that money and they don't need it. They are self-sustaining 100-times over, and the NIL donors are the ones making that program run.

OTOH, the $20MM may very well be felt by the wrestling, softball, swim/dive, and all other non-revenue programs. Those programs run at a (sometimes steep) deficit and rely on downstream revenues of the football and basketball programs to stay afloat. That money will need to be made up somewhere or cuts will need to be made.

[gehringer_2]

3 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said:

The real thing is the money. $20MM means nothing to the football program. They don't rely on that money and they don't need it. They are self-sustaining 100-times over, and the NIL donors are the ones making that program run.

OTOH, the $20MM may very well be felt by the wrestling, softball, swim/dive, and all other non-revenue programs. Those programs run at a (sometimes steep) deficit and rely on downstream revenues of the football and basketball programs to stay afloat. That money will need to be made up somewhere or cuts will need to be made.

The Record reported that the University made a one-time appropriation of (IIRC) $16M to balance Warde's budget this year. The AD usually returns some (usually nominal) excess to the U general fund and is solvent overall, so yeah - they will fight over another $20M.

[Jason_R]

Appeal the ruling, win the appeal, have Harbaugh come back and guest-coach the games Sherrone was supposed to miss, and buy $20 million worth of hamburgers for the 2026 recruiting class. Checkmate, NCAA. 

[Klondike]

On 8/15/2025 at 11:55 AM, GalagaGuy said:

Sparty fan detected.  🤣

Or the 97.1 sports talk. The whole lot are so up UM's ass with envy I can't listen to them.