Musk's Illegal Control of the US Government

[Motown Bombers]

Just now, gehringer_2 said:

And that means to be fine you have win enough in the Presidential year to survive your mid term loss. That is what 'fine' is. Half the Dems problem is denial that they are not building a big enough coalition to win enough to actually do anything.

2024 was the first Republicans won the popular vote in 20 years. Dems are actually winning as we speak. The issue with the Dems is they keep chasing this white male vote while bleeding blacks and Hispanics. 

[ewsieg]

1 hour ago, oblong said:

If there wasn't a Hollywood strike that necessitated the creation of more reality TV then he never regains his prominence.

See, if you go back far enough, the root of the problem is always elite democrats wanting more for themselves.  😉

[Motown Bombers]

Well, Trump used to be a Democrat and wanted more for himself so that checks out. Once they get more for themselves, they turn Republican so others can't get more. 

[oblong]

I traced Obama's rise to the actress Jeri Ryan. She was married to a guy who was going to run against him in Illinois for Senate.  But there was some kind of scandal where they got divorced because she said he wanted her to go to some sex club in Paris, so he dropped out.  

Bush's rise could be traced to Bud Selig.  After Fay Vincent was fired some wanted him to become commissioner.  He was also being wooed to run for Governor.  It was Bud who was pushing him for Commish but when George asked Vincent (who was a Bush family friend b/c he was a roommate of their uncle) he was told that if Bud was leading it, it was some kind of trap, he wanted the job for himself.  So he ran for Governor instead.

 

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[ewsieg]

Credit to my buddy that texted me last night with "Taylor's song on this break up is going to be epic."

[romad1]

This guy...

J.M. Berger: "If the only thing you value is money, there's already a party for you." — Bluesky

I think we can stop listening to this clown.  

[Tigerbomb13]

Khanna has always been a Musk fanboy for some reason. It’s gross. 

[Tiger337]

11 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

The odd thing is, for all the his macho, locker room talk and the clear attraction he has to libertines like Epstein,  I still wonder how much of that is performative/aspirational and how much he is actually both too cowardly and too prudish to have ever been a real player. You have to admit, he does marry his girlfriends. Bill Clinton OTOH.....

This sounds like a MAGA defense of Trump.  There is nothing honorable about him at all.  He walked around the miss teen dressing room and bragged about it on the radio.  I doubt he's ever been out on a real date.  He buys women and marries the ones who he thinks can give him prestige.  

[RatkoVarda]

this guy makes the point that Dems are still trying to win a political game that no longer exists. Good public policy is irrelevant to a MAJORITY of Americans. They want to be entertained. So Dems, do not try to stop Elmo and Dump from attacking each other so we can focus on policy. No one cares!

 

[Tiger337]

2 hours ago, chasfh said:

We can say a lot of negatives about the guy and they would all be true, but we can’t deny he’s a star, and arguably the biggest star of our lifetimes.

True, but he wasn't really a star at the time he said it.  

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7 minutes ago, Tigerbomb13 said:

Khanna has always been a Musk fanboy for some reason. It’s gross. 

Khanna's district is Silicon Valley. He held a fundraiser with David Sacks too. He's a tech bro. 

[Motown Bombers]

7 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said:

this guy makes the point that Dems are still trying to win a political game that no longer exists. Good public policy is irrelevant to a MAJORITY of Americans. They want to be entertained. So Dems, do not try to stop Elmo and Dump from attacking each other so we can focus on policy. No one cares!

 

Biden learned the hard way it was never about policy. 

[oblong]

11 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said:

this guy makes the point that Dems are still trying to win a political game that no longer exists. Good public policy is irrelevant to a MAJORITY of Americans. They want to be entertained. So Dems, do not try to stop Elmo and Dump from attacking each other so we can focus on policy. No one cares!

 

Too many dems think it's 1993.

[Motown Bombers]

David Plouffe joined Harris campaign and muzzled Walz and his weird schtick which was working. He then blamed the loss on Biden. Dems need to get rid of the Obama bros and let guys like Walz use their folksy charm. I'm not even sure if policy mattered in 1993 either. Clinton won his fair share on his charisma. 

[guy incognito]

1 hour ago, RatkoVarda said:

this guy makes the point that Dems are still trying to win a political game that no longer exists. Good public policy is irrelevant to a MAJORITY of Americans. They want to be entertained. So Dems, do not try to stop Elmo and Dump from attacking each other so we can focus on policy. No one cares!

 

 

[romad1]

always good that pitchbot

[Motown Bombers]

I asked John James who he's got in the big beautiful breakup, the Nazi or the pedophile. I predicted Nazi since he likes to use swastikas in campaign ads. 

[gehringer_2]

4 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

This sounds like a MAGA defense of Trump.  There is nothing honorable about him at all.  He walked around the miss teen dressing room and bragged about it on the radio.  I doubt he's ever been out on a real date.  He buys women and marries the ones who he thinks can give him prestige.  

Not really, just a reality check on the fact that Trump opponents keep hoping/believing there is something out there that will finally bring him down if they could only find it/get it out. Probably not there, partly because Trump has always had a pretty good idea how not to cross certain lines or at least how to get others to cross them for him and I believe partly because he does like to project more of an image than he is.

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[gehringer_2]

2 hours ago, guy incognito said:

 

Yup. I haven't read it since HS, but I remember Ray Bradbury's vision in Fahenheit 451 of a society so continually distracted/entertained that it had become completely hollow.

[gehringer_2]

4 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

David Plouffe joined Harris campaign and muzzled Walz and his weird schtick which was working. He then blamed the loss on Biden. Dems need to get rid of the Obama bros and let guys like Walz use their folksy charm. I'm not even sure if policy mattered in 1993 either. Clinton won his fair share on his charisma. 

I can't tell you if it made a difference or not, but B. Clinton did talk policy and policy goals and strategies all the time. He got nicknamed "the great explainer" for good reason. OTOH, folksy charm was definitely also a B. Clinton calling card, and one thing H. Clinton missed on big time when the cards were dealt. 

[Tiger337]

27 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Not really, just a reality check on the fact that Trump opponents keep hoping/believing there is something out there that will finally bring him down if they could only find it/get it out. Probably not there, partly because Trump has always had a pretty good idea how not to cross certain lines or at least how to get others to cross them for him and I believe partly because he does like to project more of an image than he is.

I don't disagree that he is extremely image conscious.  He is also very good at convincing people that the image he projects for himself is real.  I disagree that he knows how not to cross lines.  He crosses many lines (like the attempted coup), but gets away with stuff with lawsuits, wealth or doing something even more absure the next day.  Or like you said, he lets someone else take the blame. 

His fake tough guy routine is not real and we know that because there are no examples of him actually being a tough guy. His image of himself as a playboy who is able to get any woman he wants is also fake, but there are many examples of him being accused of crossing the line there.  It's why he bought all the beauty pageants and why he's has been accused by dozens of women of abuse.  

[Tiger337]

36 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

I can't tell you if it made a difference or not, but B. Clinton did talk policy and policy goals and strategies all the time. He got nicknamed "the great explainer" for good reason. OTOH, folksy charm was definitely also a B. Clinton calling card, and one thing H. Clinton missed on big time when the cards were dealt. 

Clinton was a pig, but he was a smart pig!  We have had presidents who were stupid and presidents who were pigs, but I think Trump is the one president who has excelled in both traits!

[chasfh]

5 hours ago, romad1 said:

This guy...

J.M. Berger: "If the only thing you value is money, there's already a party for you." — Bluesky

I think we can stop listening to this clown.  

No wonder he shows up so often on Maher as his idea of a reasonable Democrat. Same with Chris Cuomo and Gavin Newsom and John Avlon.

[chasfh]

5 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

True, but he wasn't really a star at the time he said it.  

Sure he was.