2025 MLB Thread

[romad1]

2 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

I would say his supporting cast hurt him more than helped him since those Tigers teams weren't known for their infield defense. He did go on to win a Cy Young after leaving the Tigers. 

Miggy at 3B and very short Prince at 1B what's not to love? 

 

[romad1]

Deadline acquisition for the era 2006-2013 that pissed you off the most?  2009's Aubrey Huff.  That jackweasel contributed nothing and was a bad human. 

 

[Sports_Freak]

14 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

They could have smoked the Red Sox too, but they didn't.  

That musta drove you nuts, living amongst the gloating enemies. 😅

[Sports_Freak]

2 minutes ago, romad1 said:

Deadline acquisition for the era 2006-2013 that pissed you off the most?  2009's Aubrey Huff.  That jackweasel contributed nothing and was a bad human. 

 

When Sean Casey got thrown out at 1st base when he hit a single, was it LF or RF?

[Motown Bombers]

20 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

They could have smoked the Red Sox too, but they didn't.  

Yeah that Red Sox team would have smoked this current Tigers team too. 

[Motown Bombers]

7 minutes ago, romad1 said:

Deadline acquisition for the era 2006-2013 that pissed you off the most?  2009's Aubrey Huff.  That jackweasel contributed nothing and was a bad human. 

 

I completely forgot about Huff's walk off against the Blue Jays. To be fair though, I try to block out everything with Aubrey Huff. 

[oblong]

It's not an apples to apples comparison though.  Yes from 2006 to 2017 we had some great memories.  That's 12 seasons to draw from.  Really the only guy from 2006 that was contributing anything by 2011 was Verlander.  It wasnt the same team.

I group the team like this historically:

2006-2007.  A great season and a half that marked the revival of Tiger baseball.  Injuries did the 2007 team in but they had the best MLB record at the ASB.  This will always be special for die hard Tiger fans.

2008-2010.  Meh.  2009 was good because they were in a bad division but the tie breaker game was a stinker.  The guys from the previous era are breaking down.

2011-2014.  A mini revival marked by shakey bullpens and a team that ultimately fell short.  The two best players we'll ever see in a Tiger uniform in their prime. 

2015-2017.  Hanging by a thread but if we're being honest it was fumes.

2018-2021.  What?  It all runs together.  (Nick Ramirez was our 10th best player in 2019.  No, I don't remember him either)

2022-Present.  A rebuild of the entire org that's showing fruit and gave us some very exciting baseball for almost a full season.  Things are moving in the right direction, but slowly.  No expectations until now.  

[oblong]

26 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

When Sean Casey got thrown out at 1st base when he hit a single, was it LF or RF?

left field.  I was following on game day or via a message board and read the word "Sean Casey grounds out to LF" and spit out my tea.

[oblong]

31 minutes ago, romad1 said:

Deadline acquisition for the era 2006-2013 that pissed you off the most?  2009's Aubrey Huff.  That jackweasel contributed nothing and was a bad human. 

 

Didn't we get Jarrod Washburn at the same time?

[Motown Bombers]

1 minute ago, oblong said:

It's not an apples to apples comparison though.  Yes from 2006 to 2017 we had some great memories.  That's 12 seasons to draw from.  Really the only guy from 2006 that was contributing anything by 2011 was Verlander.  It wasnt the same team.

I group the team like this historically:

2006-2007.  A great season and a half that marked the revival of Tiger baseball.  Injuries did the 2007 team in but they had the best MLB record at the ASB.  This will always be special for die hard Tiger fans.

2008-2010.  Meh.  2009 was good because they were in a bad division but the tie breaker game was a stinker.  The guys from the previous era are breaking down.

2011-2014.  A mini revival marked by shakey bullpens and a team that ultimately fell short.  The two best players we'll ever see in a Tiger uniform in their prime. 

2015-2017.  Hanging by a thread but if we're being honest it was fumes.

2018-2021.  What?  It all runs together.  (Nick Ramirez was our 10th best player in 2019.  No, I don't remember him either)

2022-Present.  A rebuild of the entire org that's showing fruit and gave us some very exciting baseball for almost a full season.  Things are moving in the right direction, but slowly.  No expectations until now.  

But that's how good teams work. You keep remaking the roster as players age. Dombrowski made bold moves like acquiring Cabrera. He traded fan favorite Granderson who was still in his prime and got Scherzer. There was the Doug Fister trade who I thought was an underrated pitcher. If this team just hangs on to these players, they won't have 10 years of sustained success. 

[oblong]

3 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

But that's how good teams work. You keep remaking the roster as players age. Dombrowski made bold moves like acquiring Cabrera. He traded fan favorite Granderson who was still in his prime and got Scherzer. There was the Doug Fister trade who I thought was an underrated pitcher. If this team just hangs on to these players, they won't have 10 years of sustained success. 

I didn't say it wasn't.  I'm just pointing out that comparing 12 years to  basically 1 and saying the 12 years was "more fun" because they had more success isn't valid.

You can't use examples from 2006 and 2012 seasons and say "that team" because they're different teams and eras.

[Motown Bombers]

1 minute ago, oblong said:

I didn't say it wasn't.  I'm just pointing out that comparing 12 years to  basically 1 and saying the 12 years was "more fun" because they had more success isn't valid.

You can't use examples from 2006 and 2012 seasons and say "that team" because they're different teams and eras.

I look at it as the Leyland Tigers vs the Hinch Tigers. Hinch has a long, long ways to go to reach the Leyland Tigers. 

[Sports_Freak]

2 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

I look at it as the Leyland Tigers vs the Hinch Tigers. Hinch has a long, long ways to go to reach the Leyland Tigers. 

But quality Hinch teams are basically just starting. We may be comparing the 2006 to 2012 teams to the 2024 to 2030 teams. A championship in the next 5 years or so would be better results than anything Leyland did.

[Motown Bombers]

1 minute ago, Sports_Freak said:

But quality Hinch teams are basically just starting. We may be comparing the 2006 to 2012 teams to the 2024 to 2030 teams. A championship in the next 5 years or so would be better results than anything Leyland did.

Leyland inherited a team three years removed from losing 119 games and lost 91 games the previous season. Leyland made them an instant contender. 

[Sports_Freak]

19 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Leyland inherited a team three years removed from losing 119 games and lost 91 games the previous season. Leyland made them an instant contender. 

Along with having much better pitching. JV and Zumaya made a huge difference. The comparison to Tram was always unfair.

[papalawrence]

The Leyland years were awesome. And they went 1-8 in the world series. They had a loaded line-up that was more station to station. They were mostly not developed by the Tigers system. Castellanos, JV, Inge, Porcello. They had stars. The current bullpen is better. The JV led rotation was better, but the current one is arguably top tier today. I disagree that it's a slam dunk that the Leyland squad would crush this squad. Definitely more talented, but a different style of baseball. And I disagree that the current system will end up with the same long-term issues. DD did have Mayben and Miller at one point in the farm, and turned them into Miggy. DD was the best at trades. But the DD farm does not compare to the current farm. I think it's the best farm since the mid-late 70s into the early 80s. It's different now. There was great success for a decade. I loved those teams. I have more confidence that Harris will draft and develop players better than earlier eras. So I have more hope for sustainability. I could be wrong. As a fan I like this system better. You disagree. Bottom line is that it's subjective. 

[romad1]

47 minutes ago, oblong said:

Didn't we get Jarrod Washburn at the same time?

Oof...still, he didn't actively do anything awful...unless you include this from his wikipedia page.

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In 2013, Washburn became the head baseball coach at his alma mater, Webster High School,^[13] but only until his kids graduated, then he left the program with haste.

That had some mustard on it. 

[IdahoBert]

It’s raining a little in Denver and it’s supposed to be raining a little more possibly a couple hours before the game, but it looks like this game should be a go-er Squire, nudge nudge wink wink say no more…

[ben9753]

Who could forget Jarrod Washbum! 

[papalawrence]

2 minutes ago, ben9753 said:

Who could forget Jarrod Washbum! 

From all-star that same year, to 7+ era with Detroit, iirc

[romad1]

Was reading about the end of Brandon Inge's time.  I had forgotten he was good-ish until he hit a wall coinciding with him catching mono in 2011.  Then he was not good.  The career end can be sudden for some. 

Edited 15 hours ago by romad1

[davidsb623]

We probably would have finished in 1st place and not needed a game 163 in 2009 if we did not acquire Wasburn (-0.7 WAR) and Huff (-0.8 WAR).  Lots of negative WAR for two month rentals.

[romad1]

1 minute ago, davidsb623 said:

We probably would have finished in 1st place and not needed a game 163 in 2009 if we did not acquire Wasburn (-0.7 WAR) and Huff (-0.8 WAR).  Lots of negative WAR for two month rentals.

Dave didn't hit a home run in 2009 to be sure.  The 2012 deadline was much better for him.  

[romad1]

actually 2011 was even better.  

[IdahoBert]

Cleveland beating Washington 8–3 in the sixth. The tedium of Cleveland being good wears thin on me. This division is starting to look a lot tougher and the Tigers are going to have to go all Lawrence of Arabia and take no prisoners when they play within their own division.