chasfh Posted July 20 Posted July 20 Yeah I'd be surprised if the Tigers offered Skubal years like that. I could see possibly fewer years and higher dollars, like, 6/300, but not eight or nine or ten years. Quote
tiger2022 Posted July 20 Posted July 20 (edited) I would almost think the Tigers won't even offer a contract to Skubal. They realize there is a 0% chance of his signing with Detroit. And if anything it will be a non-serious lowball offer When was the last time those big contracts actually worked out? The last 6 or 7 years of Cabrera were terrible. Trout's is looking horrible. Harper's is looking like a huge contract to an average 1st baseman. Guerrero's contract will be a disaster. It's not my money, so whatever. Edited July 20 by tiger2022 Quote
SoCalTiger Posted July 20 Posted July 20 I do not think losing Skubal will stop this organization from excelling. The question comes down to is an additional year of Skubal on a potentially championship level team plus a competitive draft pick worth as much as the assets acquired in trade. 1 Quote
gehringer_2 Posted July 20 Posted July 20 2 hours ago, tiger2022 said: I would almost think the Tigers won't even offer a contract to Skubal. They realize there is a 0% chance of his signing with Detroit. And if anything it will be a non-serious lowball offer When was the last time those big contracts actually worked out? The last 6 or 7 years of Cabrera were terrible. Trout's is looking horrible. Harper's is looking like a huge contract to an average 1st baseman. Guerrero's contract will be a disaster. It's not my money, so whatever. The 7yr deal the Tigers signed JV to ended up a good deal, though by today's scale $180M is chump change. 222 games started, 102 Wins and 36 WAR. But as good as Skubal is, he's got a way to go be prove he is in JV's class for endurance - of course JV got that deal not knowing he would endure either...... Quote
Tenacious D Posted July 21 Posted July 21 I think the Tigers would go 7/$280, but I don’t think Skubal would. Quote
papalawrence Posted July 21 Posted July 21 14 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: I think the Tigers would go 7/$280, but I don’t think Skubal would. If Cole got ~330, Skubal/Boras will command 400+. Yankees, Mets, maybe others will meet that demand Quote
SoCalTiger Posted July 21 Posted July 21 52 minutes ago, lordstanley said: ESPN and Boras are in cahoots Blasphemy Quote
tiger2022 Posted July 21 Posted July 21 I wonder if one of the Texas teams will throw a bunch of cash at him? Phillies? Ilitch isn't anything like Caesar. He's more like Nero or Elagabalus. Sorry for the historical references Quote
AlaskanTigersFan Posted July 21 Author Posted July 21 I'm totally fine with trading him this off season for a teams top two prospects and some throw ins. Especially if one is a top 5 pitcher. If the Phillies offer Painter, Crawford and Abel for Skubal, you do it. Skubal may be the best pitcher. But if he gives up 2 ER a game (on average) and Painter gives up 2ER or 3 ER, and you save 30 million a season for five years that you can use to produce more WAR for another position player, you do it. You win more in the long run. Its EXTREMELY rare for a pitcher to pitch Cy young worthy after the age of 34..... Lets get a 22 year old to anchor our rotation, a LF to solidify our OF and a #3-4 starter to help Mize, Jobe and Hamm going forward. If Harris lets Skubal walk for a draft pick, it will be a catastrophe just like the Angels letting Ohtani walk. 1 Quote
chasfh Posted July 21 Posted July 21 3 hours ago, lordstanley said: ESPN and Boras are in cahoots I could see Skubal being the kind of guy who might not relish the white hot spotlight of New York or Los Angeles, but I would also think he would play in either spot if they offered the most money, because all three organizations have a chance to win a ring in any given year. And since he’s going to get good and paid no matter where he ends up, the best chance of winning rings is ultimately what he’s going to want in a new contract. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted July 21 Posted July 21 26 minutes ago, chasfh said: I could see Skubal being the kind of guy who might not relish the white hot spotlight of New York or Los Angeles, but I would also think he would play in either spot if they offered the most money, because all three organizations have a chance to win a ring in any given year. And since he’s going to get good and paid no matter where he ends up, the best chance of winning rings is ultimately what he’s going to want in a new contract. LA media is probably pretty easy compared to NYC. There is very little out there like the NYPost or the tabloids and ball players are just one more relatively small group of celebs within an already huge celeb culture. Quote
SoCalTiger Posted July 21 Posted July 21 5 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: LA media is probably pretty easy compared to NYC. There is very little out there like the NYPost or the tabloids and ball players are just one more relatively small group of celebs within an already huge celeb culture. Truth. Quote
Hongbit Posted July 21 Posted July 21 (edited) I’ve flip flopped a bit and now think the dumbest way to look at this situation is to be concerned with years 6,7, and 8 of the contract. Pay him whatever even if there are ugly years at the end. Focus on the window of the next 6 years and try to get into 2 or 3 WS and get lucky to win 1 or maybe even 2. All in on that goal and then worry about the mess you’ve made afterwards. We’d all be happy with dominating 6 year stretch with a title or two and would take whatever doldrums followed. Edited July 21 by Hongbit Quote
AlaskanTigersFan Posted July 21 Author Posted July 21 17 minutes ago, Hongbit said: We’d all be happy with dominating 6 year stretch with a title or two and would take whatever doldrums followed. How's that working for the Red Wings fans lol Quote
lordstanley Posted July 21 Posted July 21 (edited) 7 minutes ago, AlaskanTigersFan said: How's that working for the Red Wings fans lol Great, actually. No one can take away the joy and excitement of 4 Cup triumphs over a 12-year span. Give me 2 World Series and 2 Super Bowls over the next decade. That will take me to 68 years old. Both the Tigers and Lions can suck for the rest of my lifetime after that. Would make that deal in a heartbeat. Edited July 21 by lordstanley 2 Quote
chasfh Posted July 21 Posted July 21 23 minutes ago, Hongbit said: I’ve flip flopped a bit and now think the dumbest way to look at this situation is to be concerned with years 6,7, and 8 of the contract. Pay him whatever even if there are ugly years at the end. Focus on the window of the next 6 years and try to get into 2 or 3 WS and get lucky to win 1 or maybe even 2. All in on that goal and then worry about the mess you’ve made afterwards. We’d all be happy with dominating 6 year stretch with a title or two and would take whatever doldrums followed. Quote
lordstanley Posted July 21 Posted July 21 25 minutes ago, Hongbit said: I’ve flip flopped a bit and now think the dumbest way to look at this situation is to be concerned with years 6,7, and 8 of the contract. Pay him whatever even if there are ugly years at the end. Focus on the window of the next 6 years and try to get into 2 or 3 WS and get lucky to win 1 or maybe even 2. All in on that goal and then worry about the mess you’ve made afterwards. We’d all be happy with dominating 6 year stretch with a title or two and would take whatever doldrums followed. If I were Illitch, I'd aim to position the Tigers for sale for the year 2030. Maximize attendance, TV ratings, and merch until then. Signing Skubal and winning a championship or two would drive that. A new owner in 2030 won't be scared off by the remaining few years of Skubal's contract, will just see it as a cost of entry for acquiring the team. 1 Quote
Tenacious D Posted July 21 Posted July 21 I’m not convinced we won’t re-sign him. I think he’ll take the highest offer—it could be us. (but don’t role out AZ, either, which is where he grew up). I don’t think we’ll trade him, either. We should be in contention again next season. It’s a shame Jobe got hurt—the two could have been potent together in ‘26. Now we can’t count on Jackson until ‘27. 1 Quote
Arlington Posted July 22 Posted July 22 3 hours ago, Tenacious D said: I’m not convinced we won’t re-sign him. I think he’ll take the highest offer—it could be us. (but don’t role out AZ, either, which is where he grew up). I don’t think we’ll trade him, either. We should be in contention again next season. It’s a shame Jobe got hurt—the two could have been potent together in ‘26. Now we can’t count on Jackson until ‘27. JObe got the surgery with the quicker recovery. We could see him pitching in June next year. Quote
AlaskanTigersFan Posted July 22 Author Posted July 22 5 hours ago, lordstanley said: Great, actually. No one can take away the joy and excitement of 4 Cup triumphs over a 12-year span. Give me 2 World Series and 2 Super Bowls over the next decade. That will take me to 68 years old. Both the Tigers and Lions can suck for the rest of my lifetime after that. Would make that deal in a heartbeat. I'd say 65% of Red Wings fans want to fire Yzerman for the wings sucking. They were left with NOTHING after mortgaging their future for so long. Of course it's going to take time to rebuild. Now in Yzerman's defense, the draft gods (no blasphmetic pun intended, heaven forgive me please) were not with him. How many times has he been shafted when the draft literally determines the future of your team 80% of the time? Red wings mortgaged the future now people hate the dude that is trying his hardest to fix the organization. Harris, if he lets Skubal walk for 1 pick instead of 3 top prospects, will set the Tigers back like the Red Wings have been set back. Maybe not as drastically since the Tigers have a great farm system. But still, there's so much more value then trading him. Even if they do keep him, realistically they get 2-3 good years. You really want to commit 40 million dollars for 8 to 10 years for 2 or 3 good years? Come on now. Like someone said before, we got him for his prime, let someone else pay for his decline. If we can get Painter for Skubal and others, its a no brainer. You hope Skubal gives you a chance to win 1 out of every 5 days. I'd rather commit 40 million to a position player that helps me win 5 out of 5 days and spend 20 million on a pitcher that's 85% as good as Skubal......... 1 Quote
lordstanley Posted July 22 Posted July 22 1 hour ago, AlaskanTigersFan said: I'd rather commit 40 million to a position player that helps me win 5 out of 5 days and spend 20 million on a pitcher that's 85% as good as Skubal......... Sure, and in a salary cap world or if I thought Illitch would deploy $60mm elswhere, there are probably more valuable ways to spend what Skubal would cost. My concern is that Illitch would just keep the money in his pocket if he doesn't pay Skubal. Might be good for Illitch, sucks for me as a fan though. Quote
papalawrence Posted July 22 Posted July 22 Skubal will become the first 400 million dollar pitcher, and if healthy, Skenes is going to get 500 minimum. Love Scoob, but imho Skenes is on the same tier, and his future is brighter. https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1QQE8mGUoT/?mibextid=xfxF2i 1 Quote
Shinzaki Posted July 22 Posted July 22 I don't know..one the one hand, committing the $$ needed to keep Skubal seems like a poor investment, ( unless he turns out to be in the Verlander/Clemens/Randy Johnson model of pitching effectively for a a long time) especially if you can get a very nice haul in exchange for him. On the other, trading him sends a message that you can't keep the talent you develop...that you can't have nice things. Only New York and LA get to develop and keep mega stars. Quote
AlaskanTigersFan Posted July 22 Author Posted July 22 1 hour ago, Shinzaki said: I don't know..one the one hand, committing the $$ needed to keep Skubal seems like a poor investment, ( unless he turns out to be in the Verlander/Clemens/Randy Johnson model of pitching effectively for a a long time) especially if you can get a very nice haul in exchange for him. On the other, trading him sends a message that you can't keep the talent you develop...that you can't have nice things. Only New York and LA get to develop and keep mega stars. I think there's a difference from having nice things and having Skubal. Skubal is a perennial cy young candidate. But the question is, for how much longer. I'd rather not pay a SP 40 million+/year when you can get a guy that will give you 85%+ quality starts for 15-20 million a year. Let the dumb teams spend 40 million, you get 85% of the production for 15 and then spread the other 35 million on position players that help you every day. You come out on top every time. Now if Skubal signs for 30 million its a different story. But he's not going to..... We can have nice things, but spend on the nice things that help you every day, not every 5th. Not to mention if he does have a bad game, you're spending 40 million dollars a year to have 10 days (1/3 of a month) of unproductive ball players. No ones perfect, I get that. But one bad game is literally 1/3 of a month for starters...... Rough. I'd rather have a hitter have two or three bad games and be great eight or seven out of the 10 games.... Just my opinion. Quote
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