Will Tigers Pony up for Skubal

[Stormin]

10 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

Tigers have only been "File and Trial" since Harris took over. And Mize was technically a loophole because there was an option year tacked on.

I have read numerous reports stating exactly what you have said.  I doubt Harris has ever publicly stated that the Tigers are a "File - and - Trial" team. I doubt Harris ever said Mize was a loophole exception.   Mize is the only previous case to reach arbitration under Harris and that case was settled.  To me, it seems like reporters are just making stuff up.

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[Tiger337]

5 hours ago, chasfh said:

I think you’d agree that the big league roster has been in much better shape since 2024 than it was in August 2022

Sure, but it's still mostly players that were acquired from the previous administration.   Nobody can say with certainty how much those players would have progressed under a different GM (and I'm not just talking about Avila).  I would think that Harris had some influence on the development, but it's impossible to know how much.  His acquisitions at the major league level have not particularly impressed me so far.  

[Stormin]

Ken Rosenthal has an article in the Athletic that states the Tigers made an initial offer of $19.8M to Skubal and were willing to go higher than $20M, but Boras and company never made a counteroffer.

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[Shelton]

2 hours ago, Edman85 said:

Tigers have only been "File and Trial" since Harris took over. And Mize was technically a loophole because there was an option year tacked on.

Doesn’t really matter, but I think they switched to file and trial late in Avila’s tenure. Of course, because no one wants to go to “trial,” we never actually got to the point of “filing” with anyone until Mize last year. 

I think it’s a good system, personally. 

[1984Echoes]

14 hours ago, buddha said:

"theoretically" is doing a LOT of work there.

i'll believe you want to be fair to harris when you give him fair criticism for bringing in paddack and morton.  

if the fancy stats say a pitcher who threw 40 innings and had an ERA over 7 is a 0.0 player and didnt cost his team anything, then i question that stats' usefulness.

his WAR was -.8, fwiw.  hard to achieve in only 40 innings.  i mean, even chris paddack wasnt that bad...

Now try Shane Bieber and/or Zack Littell...

[chasfh]

3 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

Sure, but it's still mostly players that were acquired from the previous administration.   Nobody can say with certainty how much those players would have progressed under a different GM (and I'm not just talking about Avila).  I would think that Harris had some influence on the development, but it's impossible to know how much.  His acquisitions at the major league level have not particularly impressed me so far.  

I'm just basing my assessment on what I see now versus what I saw before, and if not racking my brain for reasons to doubt it or explain it away makes me a slappy, I guess I'll wear it. In my opinion, Occam's Razor applies here. Let everybody else's mileage differ for all I care.

[tiger2022]

I don't think GMs have a magic switch that makes players good suddenly.  Players either have the talent or they don't.  Some just take longer to become successful, if ever.  Avila had a bunch of very high draft picks and those guys started playing better once he left.  Harris getting hired has nothing to do with those guys turning into better players.

Next, some posters are going to claim it was Harris who made Skubal into a Cy Young winner.  Giving the guy credit for something he had no influence over is silly.  

I'll give him credit for building the farm system to where it is, but as for the big league club...he hasn't done much to improve it.  Maybe the present isn't a priority to him because it doesn't seem like he cares about it.  But GMs are still subordinate to the owner, the guy doling out the money, so I question what Harris can and cannot do as far as spending and signing guys.