Will Tigers Pony up for Skubal

[tiger2022]

I think Hinch would have tried but then the front office would have asked him what the bleep he was doing and if he wanted to keep his job.

[SoCalTiger]

4 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

could be. McK was a little rough at SS when he first arrived but seemed to play pretty well there last season, so that would make sense. 

Except he's at shortstop today so what do I know 🥸

[SoCalTiger]

3 hours ago, Shelton said:

McGonigle has played the entire game for at the last 18 games and basically every game this season. In these last 18 in a row, he has played 3B in 9 of them (4 full games and 5 games playing both SS and 3B).

No one is saying Harris and Hinch are stupid people. But there are alternatives to being forced into using Zack Short. It’s not like they have no choice. They are choosing to use him, so it’s fair game to discuss that choice. Every game that has featured Zack short could have featured someone else in his lineup spot, with Kevin playing SS instead.

I know nobody was saying H & H are dumb and I agree the Short usage does seem rather high. maybe he has to be on the roster as the only back up but he doesn't need to play so much as you said.

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, SoCalTiger said:

Except he's at shortstop today so what do I know 🥸

fast healer.

[gehringer_2]

2 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

Right now, Keith needs to figure how to hit right handers.  He has hit for a .528 OPS over the past month.  

Keith and Torkelson both seem to be guys who spend time playing below their talent because their brains are in the way. For Colt, we can probably assume the HR drought is at a point it's messing seriously with his head.

[chasfh]

19 hours ago, Shelton said:

McGonigle has played the entire game for at the last 18 games and basically every game this season. In these last 18 in a row, he has played 3B in 9 of them (4 full games and 5 games playing both SS and 3B).

No one is saying Harris and Hinch are stupid people. But there are alternatives to being forced into using Zack Short. It’s not like they have no choice. They are choosing to use him, so it’s fair game to discuss that choice. Every game that has featured Zack short could have featured someone else in his lineup spot, with Kevin playing SS instead.

Well, I wouldn't say no one is saying Harris and Hinch are stupid people ... 😏

But seriously, I can hardly imagine what kind of doghouse Jace Jung must be in that he's not considered a better alternative to Gage Workman or Zack Short.

[chasfh]

20 hours ago, RatkoVarda said:

I'm sure there is a way to confirm or not, but I assume that they are the team with the most or almost the most guys on the IL in the majors. and it seems to be both pitchers and position players. further assuming that in terms of starters they are near the top of the list.

also assuming they are near the top with the most Minor league guys on the IL.

not sure how you compete with 4 ML bats to call on each night.

We can confirm the injury info at The Baseball Cube. I took both the majors and minors list, up there as of today, and determined projected WAR for each player on both lists who has a ZIPS WAR projection, added them all up by team, and lo and behold:

Team	MLB Players	MLB IL WAR	Minors Players	Minors IL WAR	Total Players	Total IL WAR
Detroit Tigers	14	19.7	36	6.2	50	25.9
New York Mets	12	23.5	38	1.5	50	25.0
Boston Red Sox	9	17.8	26	1.9	35	19.6
Houston Astros	12	18.0	29	1.4	41	19.4
Baltimore Orioles	11	13.1	42	4.7	53	17.9
Toronto Blue Jays	13	17.9	43	-0.1	56	17.7
Atlanta Braves	9	12.5	13	1.6	22	14.2
Chicago White Sox	11	11.2	33	2.8	44	14.0
San Francisco Giants	8	11.7	22	2.2	30	13.9
Texas Rangers	9	15.2	28	-1.4	37	13.9
Chicago Cubs	11	12.1	34	1.0	45	13.2
Seattle Mariners	6	12.2	15	0.9	21	13.1
Los Angeles Dodgers	13	12.7	44	-0.2	57	12.4
Arizona Diamondbacks	12	10.6	25	1.2	37	11.8
Minnesota Twins	6	6.2	32	5.6	38	11.8
San Diego Padres	8	10.2	28	0.8	36	11.0
Athletics	6	7.0	13	3.8	19	10.8
Kansas City Royals	8	10.1	23	0.3	31	10.4
Tampa Bay Rays	11	9.3	34	0.9	45	10.2
Colorado Rockies	13	9.3	29	0.5	42	9.8
Milwaukee Brewers	7	8.8	24	0.8	31	9.6
Cincinnati Reds	6	8.7	29	0.7	35	9.4
New York Yankees	5	7.3	35	1.7	40	9.0
Miami Marlins	5	6.0	38	2.9	43	9.0
Los Angeles Angels	7	5.1	22	0.6	29	5.7
Washington Nationals	7	2.8	34	1.9	41	4.8
St. Louis Cardinals	5	4.3	22	-1.2	27	3.1
Pittsburgh Pirates	3	2.7	27	0.3	30	3.0
Philadelphia Phillies	3	0.0	35	1.6	38	1.6
Cleveland Guardians	2	1.8	28	-0.4	30	1.4

The Tigers are second highest in just majors players, and highest in just minors players. Only the Mets have a credible claim to having worse injury luck up and down their system than we.

[chasfh]

19 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

i like defense as much as the next guy, but the league average plays for a SS in 9 innings is 4.5 and probably 90% of those are routine. That’s works out to about a play every two games where a better defender is likely to matter. OTOH, in those two games that player had 7-9 PA, every one of which mattered. That’s an extreme view, but the numbers are what they are. 

Any one of those marginal one-out-of-two-games misses would cost us an out at minimum, and could reasonably be feared to result in multiple runs that would never have happened otherwise which could cost us a win. Add enough of those across a season and we are talking about costing us wins, with an "s".

[gehringer_2]

7 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Any one of those marginal one-out-of-two-games misses would cost us an out at minimum, and could reasonably be feared to result in multiple runs that would never have happened otherwise which could cost us a win. Add enough of those across a season and we are talking about costing us wins, with an "s".

bottom line for me with which is further below average for this team, runs allowed or runs  scored? It's been runs scored, but after last night that's certainly trending the other way! 😱

and to defend or clarify - I was talking about the difference in defensive quality between a McGonigle and a Short, not the horrendous ineptitude of Wenceel Perez. I will grant you 16 ways to Sunday that you don't want W. Perez playing OF on your team. 

Edited Wednesday at 02:00 PM by gehringer_2

[chasfh]

6 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

bottom line for me with which is further below average for this team, runs allowed or runs  scored? It's been runs scored, but after last night that's certainly trending the other way! 😱

and to defend or clarify - I was talking about the difference in defensive quality between a McGonigle and a Short, not the horrendous ineptitude of Wenceel Perez. I will grant you 16 ways to Sunday that you don't want W. Perez playing OF on your team. 

I didn't think Wenceel would get even this far!

 

[SoCalTiger]

Hinch " switch hitters are golden "....is why Mr. Perez is still here. The match up mentality can be an addiction to some and both Hinch and Harris have it since it shows how they can "play 3D chess " when other teams are playing checkers and. BTW, kicking our ***.

 

[gehringer_2]

2 hours ago, SoCalTiger said:

Hinch " switch hitters are golden "....is why Mr. Perez is still here. The match up mentality can be an addiction to some and both Hinch and Harris have it since it shows how they can "play 3D chess " when other teams are playing checkers and. BTW, kicking our ***.

 

I think there is another aspect as well. The difference between good players and bad players is mostly consistency. Even a poor major leaguers can throw great pitches, make great plays and have great AB, they just can't bring that level often enough. So if you want to maximize the odds of success, having players  who perform consistently means your projections of what do will be useful. If you have poor players, all outcomes become more random, as those players are  less reliably projectable, and the ability to do game planning that makes a difference falls.

[SoCalTiger]

8 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

I think there is another aspect as well. The difference between good players and bad players is mostly consistency. Even a poor major leaguers can throw great pitches, make great plays and have great AB, they just can't bring that level often enough. So if you want to maximize the odds of success, having players  who perform consistently means your projections of what do will be useful. If you have poor players, all outcomes become more random, as those players are  less reliably projectable, and the ability to do game planning that makes a difference falls.

This makes sense. Talent often overcomes everything.

[AlaskanTigersFan]

https://www.mlb.com/news/tarik-skubal-trade-rumors-interested-teams - Interesting article.

 

https://www.si.com/mlb/brewers/onsi/should-brewers-push-their-chips-in-for-tarik-skubal-blockbuster-pat3?page_source=v_recirc - Talks Brewers trade idea from Brewers side:

Brewers Receive: LHP Tarik Skubal

Tigers Receive: INF Jett Williams (Brewers' No. 3 prospect, MLB's No. 60 prospect), OF Luis Lara (Brewers' No. 5 prospect, MLB's No. 94 prospect), and LHP Robert Gasser (Brewers' No. 15 prospect)

I'd take that deal if it was the best. I think the Tigers could get a top 25 prospect in baseball and a ML SP right now though... I think the Dodgers got this on lock giving us one of their OF'rs and a SP. 

 

The Cubs are mentioned a lot as well. But I don't think they have enough. Jaxon Wiggins and who else would be enough from the Cubs? Hard to say really..... Their top prospect is basically Max Anderson....  It'd honestly take Ballesteros and Wiggins for me to be happy from the Cubs even if we have to kick back someone like Lee or Anderson or Briceno in the deal...... I doubt they'd do that. So I guess the Dodgers are the clear favorites ehh 🙂 

[AlaskanTigersFan]

https://fansided.com/mlb/one-mlb-prospect-tigers-should-demand-in-return-from-every-tarik-skubal-frontrunner - Another fun article. If we can get Ethan Salas straight up for Skubal, I'd be a happy man... lol. Oi vey. 

[papalawrence]

2 hours ago, AlaskanTigersFan said:

https://www.mlb.com/news/tarik-skubal-trade-rumors-interested-teams - Interesting article.

 

https://www.si.com/mlb/brewers/onsi/should-brewers-push-their-chips-in-for-tarik-skubal-blockbuster-pat3?page_source=v_recirc - Talks Brewers trade idea from Brewers side:

Brewers Receive: LHP Tarik Skubal

Tigers Receive: INF Jett Williams (Brewers' No. 3 prospect, MLB's No. 60 prospect), OF Luis Lara (Brewers' No. 5 prospect, MLB's No. 94 prospect), and LHP Robert Gasser (Brewers' No. 15 prospect)

I'd take that deal if it was the best. I think the Tigers could get a top 25 prospect in baseball and a ML SP right now though... I think the Dodgers got this on lock giving us one of their OF'rs and a SP. 

 

The Cubs are mentioned a lot as well. But I don't think they have enough. Jaxon Wiggins and who else would be enough from the Cubs? Hard to say really..... Their top prospect is basically Max Anderson....  It'd honestly take Ballesteros and Wiggins for me to be happy from the Cubs even if we have to kick back someone like Lee or Anderson or Briceno in the deal...... I doubt they'd do that. So I guess the Dodgers are the clear favorites ehh 🙂 

A healthy Skubal and Misioroski in the playoffs would be lethal. The Brewers have gone all in for pitching before. Could see them in the mix for sure if Skubal goes on the trade market

[chasfh]

8 hours ago, AlaskanTigersFan said:

https://www.mlb.com/news/tarik-skubal-trade-rumors-interested-teams - Interesting article.

 

https://www.si.com/mlb/brewers/onsi/should-brewers-push-their-chips-in-for-tarik-skubal-blockbuster-pat3?page_source=v_recirc - Talks Brewers trade idea from Brewers side:

Brewers Receive: LHP Tarik Skubal

Tigers Receive: INF Jett Williams (Brewers' No. 3 prospect, MLB's No. 60 prospect), OF Luis Lara (Brewers' No. 5 prospect, MLB's No. 94 prospect), and LHP Robert Gasser (Brewers' No. 15 prospect)

I'd take that deal if it was the best. I think the Tigers could get a top 25 prospect in baseball and a ML SP right now though... I think the Dodgers got this on lock giving us one of their OF'rs and a SP. 

 

The Cubs are mentioned a lot as well. But I don't think they have enough. Jaxon Wiggins and who else would be enough from the Cubs? Hard to say really..... Their top prospect is basically Max Anderson....  It'd honestly take Ballesteros and Wiggins for me to be happy from the Cubs even if we have to kick back someone like Lee or Anderson or Briceno in the deal...... I doubt they'd do that. So I guess the Dodgers are the clear favorites ehh 🙂 

This would be out of character for the Brewers.

Edited 9 hours ago by chasfh

[monkeytargets39]

12 minutes ago, chasfh said:

This would be out of character for the Brewers.

So would winning a world series

[Motor City Sonics]

On 5/26/2026 at 2:38 PM, Dan Gilmore said:

Continuing on the Short topic, yeah he sucks, but somehow has a better OPS than Perez. 😵‍💫

Because Perez is the worst player in MLB.    Even worse than Short.    

 

Maybe Malgeri wouldn't be better, but isn't it worth taking a look - over Perez and Jones, at this point?   What would they have to lose?   You have enough of a sample size of Perez to know he's never going to be a good player.  Why not start looking at other potential players for the future now?    There's pretty much nothing to play for this season anymore.  This season is over. 

Jones is a platoon DH.   Are you kidding me?   A platoon DH.  Only really good teams get to have someone that narrow in ability.   

What a mess.     

[SoCalTiger]

2 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Because Perez is the worst player in MLB.    Even worse than Short.    

 

Maybe Malgeri wouldn't be better, but isn't it worth taking a look - over Perez and Jones, at this point?   What would they have to lose?   You have enough of a sample size of Perez to know he's never going to be a good player.  Why not start looking at other potential players for the future now?    There's pretty much nothing to play for this season anymore.  This season is over. 

Jones is a platoon DH.   Are you kidding me?   A platoon DH.  Only really good teams get to have someone that narrow in ability.   

What a mess.     

short side platoon at that. Basically a pinch hitter for "a" key spot in the game. 

[casimir]

6 hours ago, monkeytargets39 said:

So would winning a world series

Hold onto your stones in this glass house.