gehringer_2 Posted June 25 Posted June 25 10 minutes ago, Arlington said: Wenceel amazes me. I though he was done when they moved him off of second but the kid hung in there and has turned into a heck of a ballplayer. Longest tenured in the organization I believe. Seems like I have been reading reports on him forever. He does things right and he is effective. He's been outstanding in his 75 ABs so far. He's moved from 4th outfielder to RF starter and if he can maintain this bat, a star quality outfielder. Hats off. Just glad they had more patience with him than Paredes. 1 Quote
RandyMarsh Posted June 25 Posted June 25 Perez certainly has looked liked a borderline All Star level player when he is on the field, hard to say for sure if that is truly the caliber of player he is but boy if it were that would be quite the unexpected surprise. Quote
TigerNation Posted June 25 Posted June 25 3 hours ago, RandyMarsh said: Perez certainly has looked liked a borderline All Star level player when he is on the field, hard to say for sure if that is truly the caliber of player he is but boy if it were that would be quite the unexpected surprise. 178 wRC+ and 0.9 WAR in 82 PAs is MVP level, not borderline all-star. Unfortunately it's not at all sustainable. Quote
Arlington Posted June 25 Posted June 25 9 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: Just glad they had more patience with him than Paredes. True, but then we thought the Paredes - Meadows trade was a steal at the time. Totally ironic how Avila lost about the best player he picked up in his dismantling of the Tigers. It was like the squirrel found his nut and a chipmunk dashed in an stole it from him. Quote
HugoD Posted June 25 Posted June 25 1 hour ago, TigerNation said: 178 wRC+ and 0.9 WAR in 82 PAs is MVP level, not borderline all-star. Unfortunately it's not at all sustainable. Yeah, likely not sustainable at MVP level, but how about somewhere between 100 and 178? Do you think his underlaying metrics don't support this level, or is this based more on Perez's history - which is pretty long at this point. I don't know the actual numbers so far, but I feel like he's had a lot of high velocity outs as well during this stint. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted June 25 Posted June 25 1 hour ago, Arlington said: True, but then we thought the Paredes - Meadows trade was a steal at the time. Totally ironic how Avila lost about the best player he picked up in his dismantling of the Tigers. It was like the squirrel found his nut and a chipmunk dashed in an stole it from him. Assuming Perez doesn't fall back in a big way, the similarity is that they were both guys who started as pros very young, had decent bat to ball skill but no power. Paredes found his in a big way, Perez has upped his EV 4 mph and is hitting the ball more in the air this this season. His BaBIP is right where it was last season but he's slugging at a higher rate. The differences are that Isaac's bat actually started coming around at 23, Perez is 25. OTOH, Perez is more athletic, should be a better OF than Isaac an IF. Also my by my personal theory, the younger a guy gets good, the longer he likely to stay good on the other end, so Paredes has that over Perez as well. I remember discussion that some in the org didn't trust Paredes body conformation - thought he was going to run to fat - they were wrong about that- he still looks the same as he ever did. Quote
lordstanley Posted June 25 Posted June 25 If the Tigers go on to win the World Series this season, I might look back on the June night when Wenceel had 2 putouts the same inning and ended the game with a sliding catch the same way I look back on the June night in ‘84 when Dave Bergman’s long at-bat culminated in a walkoff home run. Quote
Arlington Posted June 25 Posted June 25 1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said: Assuming Perez doesn't fall back in a big way, the similarity is that they were both guys who started as pros very young, had decent bat to ball skill but no power. Paredes found his in a big way, Perez has upped his EV 4 mph and is hitting the ball more in the air this this season. His BaBIP is right where it was last season but he's slugging at a higher rate. The differences are that Isaac's bat actually started coming around at 23, Perez is 25. OTOH, Perez is more athletic, should be a better OF than Isaac an IF. Also my by my personal theory, the younger a guy gets good, the longer he likely to stay good on the other end, so Paredes has that over Perez as well. I remember discussion that some in the org didn't trust Paredes body conformation - thought he was going to run to fat - they were wrong about that- he still looks the same as he ever did. Perez was an effective hitter in '23. I was surprised that they didn't bring him up when the rosters expanded. He was deserving. I believe that Perez had to overcome the middle infielder bat label and that the Tigers discounted what he did with the bat until they couldn't anymore. It also took them awhile to believe that he had a position and the bat for it. 1 Quote
Shinzaki Posted June 25 Posted June 25 Dirks made an excellent observation breaking down Wenceel's swing on his 2 run double ...the way he got his hands in and shortened up to pull the ball hard. It was a "baseball player" swing as opposed to just a pure athlete. Not saying Wenceel isn't athletic...but he's definitely a baseball player. He never seems out of place no matter where they play him. Like Javy... 3 Quote
tiger2022 Posted June 25 Posted June 25 6 hours ago, TigerNation said: 178 wRC+ and 0.9 WAR in 82 PAs is MVP level, not borderline all-star. Unfortunately it's not at all sustainable. Maybe try to be a bit on the positive side more in life? 1 Quote
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