8/2/25 4:05PM Tigers @ Phillies

[GalagaGuy]

Twinkies get a lead off double in the 9th and can't score the tying run.  

[Sports_Freak]

Just now, casimir said:

It probably doesn’t help Vest that they see him two days in a row.  That’s a good lineup over there.  If the Tigers are playing the Twins or Angels, back to back outings probably work out better.

Yea, Philly is really good. But Vest wasn't even effective the 1st time against them. Some pitchers aren't cut out to be setup up men. He was a really good 9th inning pitcher. Earlier? He's struggled.

[1776]

10 minutes ago, holygoat said:

Nice outting for Finnigan

A Detroit native, btw.

[casimir]

Just now, Sports_Freak said:

Yea, Philly is really good. But Vest wasn't even effective the 1st time against them. Some pitchers aren't cut out to be setup up men. He was a really good 9th inning pitcher. Earlier? He's struggled.

Wasn’t he an effective setup pitcher before he became a closer?

[casimir]

Just kind of wonder how things play out if the Perez caught stealing was properly overturned.

[lordstanley]

Astros lose to Boston. Astros are again 2.5 games behind the Tigers, just as they were at the All Star Break. 

[Sports_Freak]

1 minute ago, casimir said:

Wasn’t he an effective setup pitcher before he became a closer?

That was then, this is now. 😅😅

But think about how hard it must be following Skubal. The hitters actually have a chance to hit the ball. And they did...

[Sports_Freak]

6 minutes ago, 1776 said:

A Detroit native, btw.

I didn't know that. He was born in Detroit. Huh...maybe the Tigers will sign him for next season if he's effective.

[casimir]

5 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

That was then, this is now. 😅😅

I don’t know what this is supposed to prove.

A pitcher’s job is to get outs.  Doesn’t matter what inning.  Vest has better numbers in the 8th than he does in the 9th in his career.  So I guess by that analysis, he shouldn’t be a closer.

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.fcgi?id=vestwi01&t=p&year=Career

Edited 21 hours ago by casimir

[IdahoBert]

23 minutes ago, VegasTiger said:

Finnegan left them in his wake.

[holygoat]

19 minutes ago, 1776 said:

A Detroit native, btw.

Born in Detroit, grew up in TX.

[Tigermojo]

29 minutes ago, casimir said:

Wasn’t he an effective setup pitcher before he became a closer?

Excuse but we're trying to be negative here. It's not like we're in first place or something.

[IdahoBert]

Just as an aside, tomorrow night’s game will be on ESPN and I’m just wondering how much time they’ll be talking about how excited they are for the NFL preseason during the baseball broadcast. 

[Crazy Cat Gentleman]

15 minutes ago, IdahoBert said:

tomorrow night’s game will be on ESPN

boooooo

[Shinzaki]

[oblong]

1 hour ago, Sports_Freak said:

I didn't know that. He was born in Detroit. Huh...maybe the Tigers will sign him for next season if he's effective.

Rochester Hills. Family moved when he was  2.  Dad was in finance and moved around a lot. 

[Arlington]

46 minutes ago, IdahoBert said:

Just as an aside, tomorrow night’s game will be on ESPN and I’m just wondering how much time they’ll be talking about how excited they are for the NFL preseason during the baseball broadcast. 

I tried to catch some of the Erie game and it was the Guardians team's broadcast. They spent an entire inning - not half inning - but full inning with a promotion of a stadium food dish.  Camera spent half the time on the announcers eating.  Don't know how many times I heard a phrase "The Guardian's way of doing it."  Between the homerism and the waffles I couldn't watch another inning. 

[SeattleMike]

Today’s starting lineup (wRC+ thru today):

Keith: 112

Torres: 129

Carpenter: 123

Greene: 128

Torkelson: 119

Perez: 119

McKinstry: 120

Dingler: 107

Baez: 102 
 

Not bad

 

 

 

[IdahoBert]

20 minutes ago, Arlington said:

I tried to catch some of the Erie game and it was the Guardians team's broadcast. They spent an entire inning - not half inning - but full inning with a promotion of a stadium food dish.  Camera spent half the time on the announcers eating.  Don't know how many times I heard a phrase "The Guardian's way of doing it."  Between the homerism and the waffles I couldn't watch another inning. 

I was trying to watch the Erie game yesterday as well and the same stuff was going on. It was like the game was incidental to the chitchat they enjoyed more. 

[IdahoBert]

14 minutes ago, SeattleMike said:

Today’s starting lineup (wRC+ thru today):

Keith: 112

Torres: 129

Carpenter: 123

Greene: 128

Torkelson: 119

Perez: 119

McKinstry: 120

Dingler: 107

Baez: 102 
 

Not bad

 

 

 

It’s like Lake Wobegon where all the children are above average and some of them even more so. They’re also good enough and hit well enough and gosh darn it we like them.

[casimir]

2 hours ago, Tigermojo said:

Excuse but we're trying to be negative here. It's not like we're in first place or something.

My bad.  Carry on with your good time having a bad time.

[casimir]

3 hours ago, Sports_Freak said:

Yea, Philly is really good. But Vest wasn't even effective the 1st time against them. Some pitchers aren't cut out to be setup up men. He was a really good 9th inning pitcher. Earlier? He's struggled.

Hey, riddle me this.  You have this cockamamie theory that Vest can only pitch the 9th inning because that’s what he does.  The Tigers just acquired Finnegan who also pitches basically only the 9th.  How do you handle that?  Should Harris have looked for 8th inning only pitchers, 7th inning only pitchers?

[TigerNation]

4 hours ago, Sports_Freak said:

That sample size of an ineffective Vest outside of the 9th inning is getting bigger for all you non-believers?

There is a much bigger sample size which shows he's worse in the 9th than the 7th and 8th.

[Sports_Freak]

9 hours ago, TigerNation said:

There is a much bigger sample size which shows he's worse in the 9th than the 7th and 8th.

I say he's struggling right now no matter what inning. Fetter...get to work!

[Sports_Freak]

9 hours ago, casimir said:

Hey, riddle me this.  You have this cockamamie theory that Vest can only pitch the 9th inning because that’s what he does.  The Tigers just acquired Finnegan who also pitches basically only the 9th.  How do you handle that?  Should Harris have looked for 8th inning only pitchers, 7th inning only pitchers?

Just recent stats. His last 4 outings? He's given up multiple hits in early innings of work. His 9th inning appearance was fine. He may not have given up any runs Friday but both his inherited runners scored. But again, it really is the fact he's just struggling right now, no matter which inning. Kinda hard to trust.

And I still remember Todd Jones in non-save situations. For some odd reason, he always struggled if the game wasn't on the line. It never made sense.