8/2/25 4:05PM Tigers @ Phillies

[chasfh]

10 hours ago, casimir said:

Hey, riddle me this.  You have this cockamamie theory that Vest can only pitch the 9th inning because that’s what he does.  The Tigers just acquired Finnegan who also pitches basically only the 9th.  How do you handle that?  Should Harris have looked for 8th inning only pitchers, 7th inning only pitchers?

fire Harris

[Tenacious D]

I’d blame Vest’s recent struggles on either a slump, something mechanics-related or injury.  I doubt it has anything to do with which inning he is pitching in.

[Sports_Freak]

2 hours ago, Tenacious D said:

I’d blame Vest’s recent struggles on either a slump, something mechanics-related or injury.  I doubt it has anything to do with which inning he is pitching in.

Others are starting to notice. Check out the comments, they blame Hinch. 

 

[Sports_Freak]

3 hours ago, chasfh said:

fire Harris

Bring back Avila? 🤣🤣

[gehringer_2]

26 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

Others are starting to notice. Check out the comments, they blame Hinch. 

 

I will venture to guess that if you dig a little deeper, you are going to find that when Hinch decides to use Vest in the 8th, it has been because the heart of the opposition's order is due up, so on average he is probably facing better hitters in the 8th than when he enters the game in the 9th. How much of an effect is that? IDK, but I imagine no-one here other than maybe Lee or Chasfh does either.

In general, paying too much attention to statistics that tell what has happened without telling you why it happened doesn't necessarily get you where you want to go.

[TigerNation]

29 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

Others are starting to notice. Check out the comments, they blame Hinch. 

 

I'm shocked to hear Twitter is full of dumb comments.

[TigerNation]

2 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

I will venture to guess that if you dig a little deeper, you are going to find that when Hinch decides to use Vest in the 8th, it has been because the heart of the opposition's order is due up, so on average he is probably facing better hitters in the 8th than when he enters the game in the 9th. How much of an effect is that? IDK, but I imagine no-one here other than maybe Lee or Chasfh does either.

In general, paying too much attention to statistics that tell what has happened without telling you why it happened doesn't necessarily get you where you want to go.

I learned about dependent and independent variables in middle school science. I guess a lot of people missed out on that lesson.

[casimir]

4 hours ago, Sports_Freak said:

Just recent stats. His last 4 outings? He's given up multiple hits in early innings of work. His 9th inning appearance was fine. He may not have given up any runs Friday but both his inherited runners scored. But again, it really is the fact he's just struggling right now, no matter which inning. Kinda hard to trust.

And I still remember Todd Jones in non-save situations. For some odd reason, he always struggled if the game wasn't on the line. It never made sense.

But you didn’t really answer how to handle the 9th inning or how to handle Vest/Finnegan.  Do you just use them in only the 9th inning on a rotating basis?

[casimir]

3 hours ago, chasfh said:

fire Harris

Duh, welcome to a few days ago….

[Tigermojo]

It's nice to complain about the bullpen because we used to complain about the offense, defense, starting pitching, manager, hitting coaches, etc. This team is so good the freaking bat boy is an all-star.

[Sports_Freak]

21 minutes ago, casimir said:

But you didn’t really answer how to handle the 9th inning or how to handle Vest/Finnegan.  Do you just use them in only the 9th inning on a rotating basis?

No idea. And I stated that I don't think it's actually which inning Vest pitches. It's a matter of him slumping and the really good hitters he faces. I certainly want him and the team to succeed. How can Hinch trust him in a critical 9th inning if he can't get hitters out in the 7th or 8th? But if Twitter "fans" are starting to notice, it must be a real problem. 🤣🤣

[Tiger337]

1 hour ago, Sports_Freak said:

Others are starting to notice. Check out the comments, they blame Hinch. 

 

Vest should definitely be their 6th inning guy.  

[casimir]

32 minutes ago, Tigermojo said:

It's nice to complain about the bullpen because we used to complain about the offense, defense, starting pitching, manager, hitting coaches, etc. This team is so good the freaking bat boy is an all-star.

Everything is pretty good, but the bullpen sucks?  Is Dombrowski still around?

But, hold on, how many all star bat boys did we see during the Dombrowski era? Is that the tiebreaker?

[Sports_Freak]

18 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

Vest should definitely be their 6th inning guy.  

Use him in the 1st inning. That way we have 8 innings to catch up. Lol

[Tigermojo]

47 minutes ago, casimir said:

Everything is pretty good, but the bullpen sucks?  Is Dombrowski still around?

But, hold on, how many all star bat boys did we see during the Dombrowski era? Is that the tiebreaker?

World Series win while Harris is here will be the real tie breaker but it's a cool story for that young man.

[Edman85]

Tigers reply guys on twitter being used as an authoritative source is an absolute hoot.