9/21/25 1:40PM Braves @ Tigers

[casimir]

As cruddy as the last 3 series have been, they’re still a game up in the division.

Hey, the playoffs are as simple as win the series and move on.  Might as well start that math on Tuesday in Cleveland.

[chasfh]

3 minutes ago, casimir said:

The last sentence:

 

Ah, I thought you meant scroll down the page whence I got the screenshot or something. 

Totally missed that because I was replying to your earlier post, the one before you mentioned that.

[chasfh]

All we have to do is sweep Cleveland in Cleveland, and we will win the division.

[lordstanley]

Just now, chasfh said:

All we have to do is sweep Cleveland in Cleveland, and we will win the division.

I’m glad Skubal is pitching the first game.  If he can get the win, who knows how much pressure that would release. 

[gehringer_2]

golden sombrero for Tork. He's been having a great month but at this point they are probably all pressing.

[lordstanley]

Call me old fashioned, but a nice gesture by the Tigers on Fan Appreciation Day would have been winning a game. 
 

 

[Sports_Freak]

Has anyone done the research to see if this will be the biggest collapse in MLB history?

[Klondike]

16 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

Has anyone done the research to see if this will be the biggest collapse in MLB history?

Wasn't the Bucky Dent 78' home run vs. the Red Sox collapse or the 87' Blue Jay's worse. 

[Sports_Freak]

18 minutes ago, Klondike said:

Wasn't the Bucky Dent 78' home run vs. the Red Sox collapse or the 87' Blue Jay's worse. 

IDK...I think the Jays were 6 games ahead of us with 7 to go or something? These Tigers were way up on Cleveland. Less than 2 weeks ago, I wasn't even keeping an eye on other Central teams, just Houston, Seattle and Toronto scores. We had the Central wrapped up, or so I thought.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/870583-the-top-10-biggest-and-worst-collapses-in-baseball-history

Edited September 21 by Sports_Freak

[oblong]

3 hours ago, Sports_Freak said:

Has anyone done the research to see if this will be the biggest collapse in MLB history?

In terms of biggest lead, yes. But you can also measure the games left vs games ahead metric too.  
 
as a bright spot I am not discounting the 16-1 run Cleveland went on. Sure the Tigers have done themselves in but this collapse deserves to have some credit given the Cleveland ball club. 

[chasfh]

4 hours ago, Sports_Freak said:

Has anyone done the research to see if this will be the biggest collapse in MLB history?

Yes, I did some cursory analysis, and this would be by far the biggest—meaning combination of fastest and most precipitous—collapse in baseball history, supplanting even the gold standard of the 1951 Dodgers.

But remember: massive collapses are never one-sided. It takes more than the first place team losing a lot—it also takes a second-place team winning a lot. In 1951, the Dodgers went 27-24 after August 11, but the Giants went 38-8. So the Dodgers didn't even suck then like the Tigers do now. They were simply up against an irresistible force.

There's always two sides to a massive collapse.

[oblong]

19 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Yes, I did some cursory analysis, and this would be by far the biggest—meaning combination of fastest and most precipitous—collapse in baseball history, supplanting even the gold standard of the 1951 Dodgers.

But remember: massive collapses are never one-sided. It takes more than the first place team losing a lot—it also takes a second-place team winning a lot. In 1951, the Dodgers went 27-24 after August 11, but the Giants went 38-8. So the Dodgers didn't even suck then like the Tigers do now. They were simply up against an irresistible force.

There's always two sides to a massive collapse.

That’s how I viewed the tigers “collapse” in 2009. Meaning I didn’t see it as such. They were an average team.  The twins got very hot

 

 

[CMRivdogs]

23 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Yes, I did some cursory analysis, and this would be by far the biggest—meaning combination of fastest and most precipitous—collapse in baseball history, supplanting even the gold standard of the 1951 Dodgers.

But remember: massive collapses are never one-sided. It takes more than the first place team losing a lot—it also takes a second-place team winning a lot. In 1951, the Dodgers went 27-24 after August 11, but the Giants went 38-8. So the Dodgers didn't even suck then like the Tigers do now. They were simply up against an irresistible force.

There's always two sides to a massive collapse.

It resembles the Phillies collapse in 1964. They had a 6.5 game lead over the Cardinals with 12 games left. That included a 10 game losing streak...7 at home followed by three on the road. They did win the last two games but it was too late.

The Cardinals went 9-2 during the stretch. Gene Mauch was accused of over using starters Chris Short and Jim Bunning too often, the bats went silent...

https://sabr.org/gamesproj/game/september-25-1964-phillies-suffer-5th-straight-defeat-despite-late-homers-by-johnny-callison-****-allen/#:~:text=The Phillies' losing streak eventually,greatest collapses in baseball history.

 

[Sports_Freak]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

Yes, I did some cursory analysis, and this would be by far the biggest—meaning combination of fastest and most precipitous—collapse in baseball history, supplanting even the gold standard of the 1951 Dodgers.

But remember: massive collapses are never one-sided. It takes more than the first place team losing a lot—it also takes a second-place team winning a lot. In 1951, the Dodgers went 27-24 after August 11, but the Giants went 38-8. So the Dodgers didn't even suck then like the Tigers do now. They were simply up against an irresistible force.

There's always two sides to a massive collapse.

Yeah, and last year the only reason we could catch Minnesota is because they fell off a cliff. Of course, I think we passed both KC and the Twins. And the Tigers haven't completed this collapse yet, it could be a double collapse. Lose the division and a WC spot. As unlikely as that seemed about 10 days or so ago.

[lordstanley]

54 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

It resembles the Phillies collapse in 1964. They had a 6.5 game lead over the Cardinals with 12 games left. That included a 10 game losing streak...7 at home followed by three on the road. They did win the last two games but it was too late.

The Cardinals went 9-2 during the stretch. Gene Mauch was accused of over using starters Chris Short and Jim Bunning too often, the bats went silent...

https://sabr.org/gamesproj/game/september-25-1964-phillies-suffer-5th-straight-defeat-despite-late-homers-by-johnny-callison-****-allen/#:~:text=The Phillies' losing streak eventually,greatest collapses in baseball history.

 

This was huge to me growing up in the '70s. My uncles had saved a box of old Sports Illustrated from the '60s and I used to read and re-read them. Cover stories about the famous Notre Dame-MSU tie game. Hype around Lew Alcindor. And this issue from the spring of 1965 documenting the collapse from the autumn before.

https://vault.si.com/vault/1965/03/01/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-fabulous-phillies

[lordstanley]

So the Tigers can kiss the best record in the AL goodbye (Jays 5 up and win the tiebreaker) as well as that all-important bye (Mariners 2 up and win the tiebreaker and play 3 against the Rockies).

But a 4-2 roadtrip will get them in the playoffs, either as the AL Central winner (1 up, lose the tiebreaker unless they sweep Cleveland) or as an AL wildcard (tied with Boston, win the tiebreaker unless swept by Boston; 1 up on Houston, win the tiebreaker). A 3-3 roadtrip will get them in the playoffs for sure as long as those 3 wins are against the same team (i.e, a sweep of either Cleveland or Boston). An 0-6 roadtrip will get them in the playoffs if Houston does no better than 1-5 and Texas does no better than 5-1.

[Shades of Deivi Cruz]

I know the mantra is to make the playoffs and then anything can happen, but it's hard to see the Tigers as anything but cannon fodder at this point. Especially if they have to pitch Skubal twice this week just to get in.

[CMRivdogs]

11 hours ago, lordstanley said:

This was huge to me growing up in the '70s. My uncles had saved a box of old Sports Illustrated from the '60s and I used to read and re-read them. Cover stories about the famous Notre Dame-MSU tie game. Hype around Lew Alcindor. And this issue from the spring of 1965 documenting the collapse from the autumn before.

https://vault.si.com/vault/1965/03/01/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-fabulous-phillies

I was a young Pirate fan growing up in Western Pa. We moved south in 1964. I was one of two "Yankees" in my seventh grade class.

It was also my first major lesson on gambling. I had about $15 riding on the Yankees in the World Series....