Sports_Freak Posted October 18 Posted October 18 29 minutes ago, chasfh said: Tell us the trade you think should have happened that we didn’t make happen. It doesn't matter. Not even a little bit. The Dodgers appear unbeatable. Quote
papalawrence Posted October 18 Posted October 18 17 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: It doesn't matter. Not even a little bit. The Dodgers appear unbeatable. I was just telling this to a family member. They are healthy now. One could argue the team they have on the field today is the greatest team of all time. And they have a top shelf farm system. Pencil in 5 of the next 10 WS, unless the CBA becomes a barrier to their model, which it might Quote
Sports_Freak Posted October 18 Posted October 18 29 minutes ago, papalawrence said: I was just telling this to a family member. They are healthy now. One could argue the team they have on the field today is the greatest team of all time. And they have a top shelf farm system. Pencil in 5 of the next 10 WS, unless the CBA becomes a barrier to their model, which it might They're a very good example of why a salary cap is needed. Level the playing field. Yeah, a great team on the field, a good farm system and unlimited money to buy every top free agent. Put Skubal on that team next. I know it can't happen but a fan boycott would be great. Quote
SoCalTiger Posted October 18 Posted October 18 (edited) On 10/15/2025 at 10:31 AM, Edman85 said: 47 now, Minimum 6 (Kahnle, Torres, Paddack, Montero, Finnegan, Cobb), maximum 9 (Flaherty, Sewald, Urquidy have options) leaving via free agency. Tanner Rainey seems like an auto-cut. This was my back-of-the-napkin 40 man math: 22 5 11 3 6 1 8 Lock Likely Stay Bubble Likely DFA/NT Free Agent Must Add Maybe Add Javier Baez Beau Brieske Jason Foley Sean Guenther Alex Cobb Hao Yu Lee Garrett Burhenn Kerry Carpenter Jack Flaherty Brenan Hanifee Tanner Rainey Kyle Finnegan Trei Cruz Dillon Dingler Jake Rogers Bailey Horn Paul Sewald Tommy Kahnle Thayron Liranzo Sawyer Gipson-Long Dylan Smith Andy Ibanez Rafael Montero Jake Miller Riley Greene Matt Vierling Jahmai Jones Chris Paddack Izaac Pacheco Tyler Holton Alex Lange Gleyber Torres RJ Petit Brant Hurter Chase Lee Gabriel Reyes Jackson Jobe Ty Madden Eduardo Valencia Jace Jung Tyler Mattison Colt Keith Drew Sommers Justyn-Henry Malloy Jose Urquidy Zach McKinstry Parker Meadows Troy Melton Casey Mize Keider Montero Reese Olson Wenceel Perez Tarik Skubal Trey Sweeney Spencer Torkelson Will Vest Thanks so much for the list. I think Liranzo is a must add and Vierling a lock. I wouldn't protect anyone on the Bubble including Jones because Vierling replaces him. Does it say something about the real strength of our team in that we only have 22 "locks" or is that about average for playoff contenders? Seems low to me especially when some are so-so like Sweeney, Malloy, Jung, Gibson-Long in waiting for results and Hurter. Some fragile-injury prone and others short term control. Not too many solid stars if evaluating objectively and not as fan. Less than 10 or so. Maybe 6 proven stars ? Skubal ,Greene, Tork, Dingler (our best non pitcher IMO), Carpenter and Vest. Melton very promising. Do you think Harris evaluates the team on this manner ? His comments about players coming up and improving the hitting approach indicates this to me. And if Harris believes both to be true doesn't it lead to a Skubal trade ? Edited October 18 by SoCalTiger Quote
casimir Posted October 18 Posted October 18 16 hours ago, chasfh said: Tell us the trade you think should have happened that we didn’t make happen. Higginson for Williams. 1 Quote
Tiger337 Posted October 18 Author Posted October 18 21 minutes ago, casimir said: Higginson for Williams. How about Williams for Mike Drumright and Roberto Duran. Or are we giving up too much? 1 Quote
1984Echoes Posted October 18 Posted October 18 1 hour ago, casimir said: Higginson for Williams. Ted? Quote
1984Echoes Posted October 18 Posted October 18 PS: Ted's head is dead But it probably still has a keener batting eye (in its current condition) Than some of our current Detroit Tigers. I'm just sayin'... Quote
Tiger337 Posted October 18 Author Posted October 18 yes, it's Bernie. Randy Smith insisted that he had agreed to a deal with the Yankees for Bernie Williams on expansion draft day only to have the Yankees pull out at the last minute. Nobody believed him. Quote
casimir Posted October 18 Posted October 18 56 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: Ted? Sad trombone. 33 minutes ago, Dan Gilmore said: Bernie Winner, winner, kielbasa, sauerkraut, and pierogi dinner! 1 Quote
oblong Posted October 18 Posted October 18 33 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: yes, it's Bernie. Randy Smith insisted that he had agreed to a deal with the Yankees for Bernie Williams on expansion draft day only to have the Yankees pull out at the last minute. Nobody believed him. He said he had the paperwork in his drawer. 1 Quote
casimir Posted October 18 Posted October 18 4 minutes ago, oblong said: He said he had the paperwork in his drawer. Was it filled out in triplicate? Quote
Tiger337 Posted October 18 Author Posted October 18 Fun factoid: Lifetime WAR: Williams 49.6 Granderson 47.5 Quote
chasfh Posted October 19 Posted October 19 On 10/17/2025 at 9:14 PM, Sports_Freak said: It doesn't matter. Not even a little bit. The Dodgers appear unbeatable. Sure it does. I want to know what you’re seeing that the rest of us are missing. 1 Quote
chasfh Posted October 19 Posted October 19 On 10/17/2025 at 9:33 PM, papalawrence said: I was just telling this to a family member. They are healthy now. One could argue the team they have on the field today is the greatest team of all time. And they have a top shelf farm system. Pencil in 5 of the next 10 WS, unless the CBA becomes a barrier to their model, which it might As the game stands now, if anything, I would see the owners seeking to remove as much friction as they can between the Big Six teams and the pennant. As long as it is the team that draws fans and revenue versus the individual player, Baseball will privilege those teams as much as possible for the benefit of all. The main thing that might prevent this from happening is some rule change that would highlight the individual over the team, such as the Golden At Bat, which, I could definitely see this happening before Manfred’s tenure is sunsetted. They have to find a way to delocalize the rooting in baseball in order to flatten the interest level among teams. Quote
Tiger337 Posted October 19 Author Posted October 19 35 minutes ago, chasfh said: As the game stands now, if anything, I would see the owners seeking to remove as much friction as they can between the Big Six teams and the pennant. As long as it is the team that draws fans and revenue versus the individual player, Baseball will privilege those teams as much as possible for the benefit of all. The main thing that might prevent this from happening is some rule change that would highlight the individual over the team, such as the Golden At Bat, which, I could definitely see this happening before Manfred’s tenure is sunsetted. They have to find a way to delocalize the rooting in baseball in order to flatten the interest level among teams. If they pass the Golden At Bat rule, I will most likely stop watching games. I'll just follow the stats and play fantasy baseball. 1 Quote
Sports_Freak Posted October 19 Posted October 19 1 hour ago, chasfh said: Sure it does. I want to know what you’re seeing that the rest of us are missing. Some people complain about how unfair the Dodgers are by spending a ton of money on all the best free agents. But in reality, they've done an outstanding job of picking the right players to sign. And a pretty good farm system. I really think they'll make a strong push for Skubal's services. The rest of the baseball teams don't stand a chance against such a well run organization that seems to have an unlimited amount of money. So yeah, we can discuss which players the Tigers should sign or trade for, but does it really matter? Quote
chasfh Posted October 19 Posted October 19 17 hours ago, Tiger337 said: Fun factoid: Lifetime WAR: Williams 49.6 Granderson 47.5 I need to look up how many guys besides Granderson had 500+ games and 2,000+ at bats with three different franchises. I would think you could count them on your fingers. Quote
chasfh Posted October 19 Posted October 19 8 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: Some people complain about how unfair the Dodgers are by spending a ton of money on all the best free agents. But in reality, they've done an outstanding job of picking the right players to sign. And a pretty good farm system. I really think they'll make a strong push for Skubal's services. The rest of the baseball teams don't stand a chance against such a well run organization that seems to have an unlimited amount of money. So yeah, we can discuss which players the Tigers should sign or trade for, but does it really matter? All due respect, yes, it does matter as long as you’re repeatedly hammering Scott Harris for ****ing up opportunities to improve the roster simply because he’s failing to, I guess, wave his magic wand and make it all better, and you can’t identify what actual opportunities he’s missing. That’s what we see emotional fans do during their knucklehead moments. Someone in your position may reply that it’s not their job to figure it out, it’s Harris’s job, we don’t have to figure it out for him, Harris is simply ****ing everything up by not figuring it out, so he better figure it out pronto or lose his job. We hear that from posters here on occasion (although I don’t recall ever hearing that from you.) But that line of rhetoric is OK only for casual fans who don’t pay even a shred of attention to the team when we’re losing. When we hear casual fans like that lash out about the team, the rest of us can smile and ignore their whinging as we might a child’s. But give the high quality of adult-level discussion about the Tigers that takes place here, there’s a certain standard of discourse posters are expected to uphold, and that includes having an idea of how to fix the things we insist is going wrong with the team. “It’s not my job to figure it out” is nothing more than a pathetic copout. This is not a demand that you come back with a solution for Harris—there’s certainly no rule requiring that. 1 Quote
Tiger337 Posted October 19 Author Posted October 19 20 minutes ago, chasfh said: I need to look up how many guys besides Granderson had 500+ games and 2,000+ at bats with three different franchises. I would think you could count them on your fingers. There are at least 11 including Granderson. Three of them included the Tigers as franchises. One of them did it with four teams including the Tigers. Four of them had 10+ WAR with each franchise. Quote
Tiger337 Posted October 19 Author Posted October 19 So far, the Dodgers have only won two World Series this century, so it's a little early to say they are automatic World Champions every year. They have a loooooong way to go before they are like the Yankees. Quote
chasfh Posted October 19 Posted October 19 17 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: There are at least 11 including Granderson. Three of them included the Tigers as franchises. One of them did it with four teams including the Tigers. Four of them had 10+ WAR with each franchise. You know what I’m going to ask you next, right? 😁 Quote
Sports_Freak Posted October 19 Posted October 19 24 minutes ago, chasfh said: All due respect, yes, it does matter as long as you’re repeatedly hammering Scott Harris for ****ing up opportunities to improve the roster simply because he’s failing to, I guess, wave his magic wand and make it all better, and you can’t identify what actual opportunities he’s missing. That’s what we see emotional fans do during their knucklehead moments. Someone in your position may reply that it’s not their job to figure it out, it’s Harris’s job, we don’t have to figure it out for him, Harris is simply ****ing everything up by not figuring it out, so he better figure it out pronto or lose his job. We hear that from posters here on occasion (although I don’t recall ever hearing that from you.) But that line of rhetoric is OK only for casual fans who don’t pay even a shred of attention to the team when we’re losing. When we hear casual fans like that lash out about the team, the rest of us can smile and ignore their whinging as we might a child’s. But give the high quality of adult-level discussion about the Tigers that takes place here, there’s a certain standard of discourse posters are expected to uphold, and that includes having an idea of how to fix the things we insist is going wrong with the team. “It’s not my job to figure it out” is nothing more than a pathetic copout. This is not a demand that you come back with a solution for Harris—there’s certainly no rule requiring that. People can go position by position to compare the Tigers strengths and weaknesses against the top teams but that wouldn't turn out too good for us. This team has major weaknesses that can't be solved by signing 2 or 3 players or minor trades. It's not like we're two or three players away from being a serious championship contender. So yeah, we all have opinions. It's just my opinion is bringing in all of those horrible arms at the trade deadline did more harm than good. I really feel the Tigers would have been better off without Morton or Paddack. Would they have challenged the Dodgers? No, we're a half a dozen or so players away from competing with them. They're just in another class. Just make the playoffs and anything can happen? It sounds good but in the playoffs, weaknesses are exposed. So I repeat, at this point, it doesn't really matter. Quote
Sports_Freak Posted October 19 Posted October 19 10 minutes ago, chasfh said: You know what I’m going to ask you next, right? 😁 Guesses; Colovito, Kuenn and Pudge 3 of them? Quote
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