General Wings Comments 2025-26

[slothfacekilla]

The hfboards person I referenced seems to think the Wings are going to trade Larkin and DeBrincat this summer.  Faulk, Gibson and Copp at the deadline.  Get a top 5 pick in the next draft.  Would be quite a reset.  It makes some sense but scares the crap out of me.  Theoretically it would bring in a lot of assets though....judging by how people view our scouts and front office I imagine it would scare a lot of people.

[slothfacekilla]

Part of why I was so shocked by the Larkin request was it seemed like the Wings have done extremely well by him and his family.  Multiple leaves for family stuff.  Putting his parents/wife/kid in a suite for home games, having his wife and kid in the tunnel for Dylan to say hi to before hitting the ice, etc.  

[Mr.TaterSalad]

37 minutes ago, buddha said:

eichel was 24 at the time of the trade and a better player than larkin.  he waa also coming off experimental surgery which is why he went for aa low as he did.

and he got the 16th pick in the draft in return, not the #2 pick in the draft.  when was the last team that traded a top 2 pick for a 30 year old?

He got the #16 overall pick AND Alex Tuch who had previously had a 50+ point season. Take away Tuch from the trade and I'm sure Buffalo could have asked for a higher pick if Vegas had one to give. I presume Tuch was added in because pick #16 by itself wasn't enough.

[Shinzaki]

1 hour ago, slothfacekilla said:

Jack Eichel was 24 and Larkin has never hit 80 points in his career.  The first round pick was 18th overall.  

Meanwhile you're talking about the second overall pick (in a draft where the top 2 players are fantastic prospects) and Misa who was considered one of the best prospects in the entire league?  Tuch is a good player but he was never the same level prospect as Misa.  Krebs had plenty of warts which we've seen play out in his career where he's settled in as a less than 40 point player who is bad at defense.

I admire your optimism but I think you're going to be very sad with the trade return if this is what you're expecting.  I'll give you your kudos if something like this happens but.....it seems insane to me.

Larkin had 79 points...in no universe I'm aware of was Jack Eichel a better player than Larkin is now..and Larkin has a cheap deal with five yeears to run

Vegas gave up more to get a damaged Eichel than I'm asking for (regardless of how Krebs turned out, he was considered a top prospect at the time and  Tuch had a 20 goal season in Vegas)   Larkin is a top 2 way C with 5 consecutive 30 goal seasons...he was a key member of the National team.

Misa is a prospect...the 2nd overall pick will be a prospect.  You think giving up a two way star for two prospects is too much?

Edited 4 hours ago by Shinzaki

[slothfacekilla]

Can I tag @buddha in 

[Mr.TaterSalad]

24 minutes ago, Shinzaki said:

Larkin had 79 points...in no universe I'm aware of was Jack Eichel a better player than Larkin is now..and Larkin has a cheap deal with five yeears to run

Vegas gave up more to get a damaged Eichel than I'm asking for (regardless of how Krebs turned out, he was considered a top prospect at the time and  Tuch had a 20 goal season in Vegas)   Larkin is a top 2 way C with 5 consecutive 30 goal seasons...he was a key member of the National team.

Misa is a prospect...the 2nd overall pick will be a prospect.  You think giving up a two way star for two prospects is too much?

Agree with all of this. I don't think Larkin straight up for #2 overall is asking too much. Considering the number of top 3 picks that don't end up with careers as successful as Larkin's has been, I think it's a fair valuation. Considering Larkin is still in his prime and on such a team friendly deal, this also makes it a fair valuation.

[slothfacekilla]

Ref it isn't fair that two of them are in the ring at the same time!

 

I feel like @lordstanley could be the ref here?

Edited 3 hours ago by slothfacekilla

[Dan Gilmore]

Is Larkin still in his prime? I hope other teams think so. Me, not so sure.

[gehringer_2]

21 hours ago, buddha said:

the #2 pick in the draft, not a second round pick.

you will go way out of your way to criticize steve yzerman.  lol.

it's a provisional critique. If->then. 

[gehringer_2]

23 hours ago, slothfacekilla said:

 

 

I think you need to re-read the discussions, no one is discussing a second round pick........

yeah - I misread that.

[lordstanley]

29 minutes ago, slothfacekilla said:

Ref it isn't fair that two of them are in the ring at the same time!

 

I feel like @lordstanley could be the ref here?

Yeah, we are not getting Larkin for #2 overall and Misa. I will even LOL it. I think a few pages ago I asked whether Larkin + Cossa would be in a conversation for #2 overall alone, and even that I really doubt SJ would say yes to. 

[Shinzaki]

You guys hate Larkin more than the rest of the league...Good players do not become available often...top 25 guys in the league almost never do.  Larkin is a proven veteran with a lot of mileage left...he's very highly regarded with the USA hockey program, as evidenced by his spot on the Four Nations and Olympic teams.  Why some of you want to sell him for peanuts is beyond me.

 

[slothfacekilla]

And I would counter you saying that I think you are drastically undervaluing the second overall pick in the draft.  We obviously don't agree on this stuff but to frame it as we're just trying to give Larkin away is disingenuous.  

[gehringer_2]

2 minutes ago, slothfacekilla said:

And I would counter you saying that I think you are drastically undervaluing the second overall pick in the draft.  We obviously don't agree on this stuff but to frame it as we're just trying to give Larkin away is disingenuous.  

Value of a top pick depends on whether you are the Rangers....

[Shinzaki]

5 minutes ago, slothfacekilla said:

And I would counter you saying that I think you are drastically undervaluing the second overall pick in the draft.  We obviously don't agree on this stuff but to frame it as we're just trying to give Larkin away is disingenuous.  

I'll go this far...in today's environment, you don't see top 5 picks move and you don't see 1C's on a relatively cheap  5 year deal move often enough to easily gangue the market for either

[Mr.TaterSalad]

1 hour ago, Dan Gilmore said:

Is Larkin still in his prime? I hope other teams think so. Me, not so sure.

At 30 years old I would like to think that not only is he in his prime, but he has a solid 3-5 years left in it.

[Dan Gilmore]

Yes, you would like to think that.

[lordstanley]

30 years old but with minimal playoff experience and begs for a trade from a team that has faded down the stretch year after year will be valued somewhat differently than a 30 year old warrior who has led his team to playoff series wins. 

[Shinzaki]

30 year old who has patiently waited for his GM to build  better roster

[slothfacekilla]

I do question how Larkin is going to age when his best asset is his speed, but he is still going to be in high demand.  I just personally don't see it as 2nd overall type stuff, but hey I'll be very happy to be wrong.

[slothfacekilla]

 

Old friend alert!  I'm honestly getting very excited about Detroit's PWHL team. Manon Rhéaume is building a very interesting franchise for their inception.

[lordstanley]

12 minutes ago, Shinzaki said:

30 year old who has patiently waited for his GM to build  better roster

Plenty of blame to go around. No winners in the Wings organization on or off the ice the past decade. Everyone is tarnished by it. 

[gehringer_2]

14 minutes ago, lordstanley said:

Plenty of blame to go around. No winners in the Wings organization on or off the ice the past decade. Everyone is tarnished by it. 

And if the return on Larkin is not good, it's just more purgatory for Wing's fans.

[buddha]

my god, i wonder what you guys think mcdavid would get on the trade market...

[buddha]

i cant believe people think larkin is equal in value to 24 year old jack eichel.  eichel coming off experimental surgery and not being able to play for half the season is about equal to prime/healthy dylan larkin.

that's why were saying stevie will likely get a first, a prospect, and some young roster filler third liner.  

and that would be fine value for larkin.

look, if san jose is insane enough to give us the #2 pick in a good draft for dylan larkin, you take it.  if they offer misa for larkin, you say yes before they finish the sentence.

larkin is 30 and at the end of his prime.  youre not going to get as much for that as you would for a younger player with superstar potential.  the one advantage you have is that he has term at a great nunber.

debrincat is 28 and getting toward the end of his prime.  he has one year left on his contract.  he is a good scoring winger.  he is NOT quinn hughes and wont bring back what hughes brought back.  and if he signs an extension it will be for big bucks.  as a one year rental?  he aint fetching the #2 pick in the ****ing draft.