2026 Congressional Elections

[Motown Bombers]

Voters are to blame for Republican president republican policies. 

[Mr.TaterSalad]

2 hours ago, GalagaGuy said:

To add some numbers, here are the third party voting totals for Michigan ......

2008 - 80,548

2012 - 51,136

2016 - 250,902

2020 - 85,410

2024 - 111,017

You'll see the same pattern if you look at Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.  As a reminder, Trump won Michigan in 2016 by 10,704 votes.  

I've argued this for years with regards to third party voting. If you are going to say that most or every Green Party vote that went to Jill Stein should have gone to Clinton, then you have to be willing to say the same of Libertarian Party votes that went to Gary Johnson and say those should be Trump votes on the right. Gary Johnson got 172,136 votes in 2016 in Michigan and Jill Stein got 51,463 votes in 2016 in Michigan. So Johnson hurt Trump more than Stein did Clinton. The numbers get even worse when you factor in the other right wing candidate, Darrell Castle, from the Constitution Party.

These numbers hold in all the swing states as well, Johnson outperformed Stein. So in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, Johnson took more votes from Trump than Stein took from Clinton.

Edited 12 hours ago by Mr.TaterSalad

[GalagaGuy]

1 minute ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

I've argued this for years with regards to third party voting. If you are going to say that most or every Green Party vote that went to Jill Stein should have gone to Clinton, then you have to be willing to say the same of Libertarian Party votes that went to Gary Johnson and say those should be Trump votes on the right. Gary Johnson got 172,136 votes in 2016 in Michigan and Jill Stein got 51,463 votes in 2016 in Michigan. So Johnson hurt Trump more than Stein did Clinton.

Both candidates were getting support from Bernie voters, they never coalesced around either one.  It didn't matter who they voted for, all that mattered to them was that they weren't voting for Clinton. 

[Motown Bombers]

3 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

Both candidates were getting support from Bernie voters, they never coalesced around either one.  It didn't matter who they voted for, all that mattered to them was that they weren't voting for Clinton. 

After Trump and MAGA, Bernie Sanders is the worst thing to happen to this country. He corrupted a whole generation. 

[GalagaGuy]

Another thing, we don't even know how many write in votes Bernie received in 2016 in Michigan as they weren't even counted since he hadn't filed a declaration of intent.  Considering Even McMullin received 8,177 votes, I'd probably take the bet that Bernie received more write ins than Trump's margin of victory. 

[pfife]

31 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

There's a difference between people who voted for who the wanted to vote for and butthurt little babies who voted for someone out of spite.  

Yeah i agree for instance the people who voted for trump helped trump win a contest of who gets more votes way more than the people who voted for people other than trump.

Similarly the pistons players who scored baskets helped the pistons win a game much more than the people who scored baskets for cleveland

Edited 12 hours ago by pfife

[Motown Bombers]

Never forget Bernie Sanders press secretary from 2016. (Who supported Stein again in 2024). 

[pfife]

Never forget someone didnt support the same candidate as you 10 years ago!!!  Dont tread on you!!!!

[pfife]

29 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Voters are to blame for Republican president republican policies. 

Running cover for Republicans is a choice 

[Motown Bombers]

One of the worst things, Sanders is 84, his term runs until he’s 89, he’s already had a heart attack, but we can’t have him die because Vermont has a republican governor. Ageism is selective. 

[pfife]

Sucks that you wont max gain from his death.  

[romad1]

I mean... time to rally again and get back on the barricades.  

[Motown Bombers]

59 minutes ago, romad1 said:

I mean... time to rally again and get back on the barricades.  

That’s the problem. People didn’t like Terry McAulife or Biden because they were boring. 

[gehringer_2]

10 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

That’s the problem. People didn’t like Terry McAulife or Biden because they were boring. 

Read a bit yesterday that as a party the dems are having trouble raising money. Dem Candidates are doing fine, but the party fundraising is way off, party accounts trailing the GOP about 2:1,  donors bitching about Ken Martin etc. 

[Mr.TaterSalad]

6 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

After Trump and MAGA, Bernie Sanders is the worst thing to happen to this country. He corrupted a whole generation. 

I'd say having an alleged rapist and man who groped woman in the White House is worse, but ok. You do you. I think Slick Willie was far worse. That doesn't even get into the dozens and dozens of bad policies that Bubba supported that ravaged middle and lower income persons and families.

Edited 5 hours ago by Mr.TaterSalad

[romad1]

10 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Read a bit yesterday that as a party the dems are having trouble raising money. Dem Candidates are doing fine, but the party fundraising is way off, party accounts trailing the GOP about 2:1,  donors bitching about Ken Martin etc. 

Listening to that audiobook from Thomas Ricks about Churchill and Orwell.  Orwell was downright despondent for having been an ardent socialist, gone off to Spain to fight to see that Stalin's totalitarian secret police had taken over all the goodwill of the "Revolution" and hunted him and his fellows in the Left harder than the fought the Franco regime.   He then returns to Britain and endures the idiocy of appeasement and folly of the Colonel Blimpish failures of the first 2 years of the war.  He knew that Stalin was not to be trusted at all...he came to appreciate Churchill for being willing to throw away the British class system in favor of national survival.   

Now I bring that up because Orwell was cursed with knowledge and among those whose curse was ignorance. 

[Tiger337]

6 hours ago, pfife said:

Never forget someone didnt support the same candidate as you 10 years ago!!!  Dont tread on you!!!!

You need to fall in line and vote for who the Democrat leaders tell you to vote for.  You have no choice.  

[gehringer_2]

1 minute ago, Tiger337 said:

You need to fall in line and vote for who the Democrat leaders tell you to vote for.  You have no choice.  

The answer for the Dems isn't that hard - you run AOCs where progressives can win and you run Fettermans where they can't win and when you get in power you pass the parts of your agenda you agree on and try to build consensus if you can for the stuff you like that doesn't have broader appeal. That's what representative democracy is supposed to be about. But both sides of the party want to be in control, neither side willing enough to go with the fact that some of the answers can be different in different places

[pfife]

10 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

You need to fall in line and vote for who the Democrat leaders tell you to vote for.  You have no choice.  

Only a loser would choose who they want to vote for

Edited 4 hours ago by pfife

[gehringer_2]

Just now, pfife said:

Only a loser would choose who they want to vote for

Voters choosing candidates is so, so 20th century. Today candidates choose their voters don'cha know?

[pfife]

Just now, gehringer_2 said:

Voters choosing candidates is so, so 20th century. Today candidates choose their voters don'cha know?

So true 

[Tigermojo]

19 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

The answer for the Dems isn't that hard - you run AOCs where progressives can win and you run Fettermans where they can't win and when you get in power you pass the parts of your agenda you agree on and try to build consensus if you can for the stuff you like that doesn't have broader appeal. That's what representative democracy is supposed to be about. But both sides of the party want to be in control, neither side willing enough to go with the fact that some of the answers can be different in different places

We're pretty much at the point of anything left of fascism is acceptable for now.