Biff Mayhem Posted February 16 Posted February 16 On 2/14/2026 at 3:57 PM, chasfh said: Are you the backup Strategy Expert now? Crap. It’s OE%. I own the mistake. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted February 16 Posted February 16 (edited) On 2/15/2026 at 5:13 PM, Sports_Freak said: Even more OT. Speaking of building your own rig, my brother is STILL using his Heathkit he built in 1967! I dont know how many watts it is but it really get floor rattling loud. Heathkit stuff was rock solid. Probably go another 20yrs. My first rig used a pair of these preamps my dad had built along with a completely home-brew vacuum tube diode power supply he had cooked up to go with them. Edited February 16 by gehringer_2 1 Quote
Edman85 Posted February 19 Author Posted February 19 (edited) I forgot from our HoF project a while back how weak 3B was historically for the Tigers. A lot of long running average 3B in the club's history, particularly during dynasty eras (Wert, Brookens, Inge). Both WAR systems are unanimous that Fryman is the tops in club history. Kell is one of the most undeserving HOFers (as a player) and wasn't with the Tigers that long. It is scary how close Shane Halter and Zach McKinstry are to the top 10. Edited February 19 by Edman85 Quote
oblong Posted February 19 Posted February 19 Does anyone have a record of that HOF? I have a western digital HD that crapped out and I’ve yet to pursue getting anything off of it. If I had it that’s the only place it would be. Quote
Edman85 Posted February 19 Author Posted February 19 10 hours ago, oblong said: Does anyone have a record of that HOF? I have a western digital HD that crapped out and I’ve yet to pursue getting anything off of it. If I had it that’s the only place it would be. I was wondering the same thing. Quote
Edman85 Posted February 20 Author Posted February 20 On 2/18/2026 at 9:29 PM, oblong said: Does anyone have a record of that HOF? I have a western digital HD that crapped out and I’ve yet to pursue getting anything off of it. If I had it that’s the only place it would be. The Internet Archives to the rescue! https://web.archive.org/web/20161208140656/http://www.motownsports.com/forums/topic/37672-the-bluhm-memorial-detroit-tigers-hall-of-fame/ 1 Quote
Tiger337 Posted February 20 Posted February 20 3 hours ago, Edman85 said: The Internet Archives to the rescue! https://web.archive.org/web/20161208140656/http://www.motownsports.com/forums/topic/37672-the-bluhm-memorial-detroit-tigers-hall-of-fame/ WAR was still in the development stage back then. It will be interesting to go back throught it and see how much it agrees with modern WAR calculations. Quote
oblong Posted February 20 Posted February 20 DT35456884 was a good poster. I communicated with him on twitter for awhile. He was doing the freep half marathon and I saw him and took his photo. 1 Quote
Edman85 Posted February 20 Author Posted February 20 2 hours ago, oblong said: DT35456884 was a good poster. I communicated with him on twitter for awhile. He was doing the freep half marathon and I saw him and took his photo. It's a shame his moniker wouldn't change if he rejoined. Quote
Edman85 Posted February 20 Author Posted February 20 Third Basemen First Year Last Year PAWS Travis Fryman 1990 1997 42.6 George Kell 1946 1952 41.5 Ray Boone 1953 1958 33.2 Brandon Inge 2001 2012 29.6 Marty McManus 1927 1931 23.2 George Moriarty 1909 1915 23.1 Ossie Vitt 1912 1918 22.4 Pinky Higgins 1939 1946 21.1 Don Wert 1963 1970 20.6 Tom Brookens 1979 1988 18.4 Quote
Edman85 Posted February 20 Author Posted February 20 Player Year Note George Mullin 1915 Sam Crawford 1920 Bill Donovan 1920 Hughie Jennings 1925 Bobby Veach 1925 Ed Killian 1925 Ty Cobb 1930 Harry Heilmann 1930 Hooks Dauss 1930 Frank Navin 1935 Mickey Cochrane 1940 Donie Bush 1940 Charlie Gehringer 1945 Rudy York 1945 Schoolboy Rowe 1945 Hank Greenberg 1950 Tommy Bridges 1950 Hal Newhouser 1955 Dizzy Trout 1955 George Kell 1955 Walter Briggs, Sr. 1955 Ty Tyson 1955 Virgil Trucks 1960 Ray Boone 1960 Harvey Kuenn 1960 Fred Hutchinson 1960 Frank Lary 1965 Jim Bunning 1965 Vic Wertz 1965 Wish Egan 1965 Al Kaline 1975 Norm Cash 1975 Mickey Lolich 1975 **** McAuliffe 1975 Jim Northrup 1975 Willie Horton 1980 John Hiller 1980 Bill Freehan 1980 Rocky Colavito 1985 Denny McLain 1985 Jack Morris 1990 Lance Parrish 1990 Chet Lemon 1990 Lou Whitaker 1995 Kirk Gibson 1995 Sparky Anderson 1995 Paul Carey 1995 John Fetzer 1995 Alan Trammell 2000 Cecil Fielder 2000 Travis Fryman 2000 Jim Campbell 2000 Willie Hernandez 2005 Ernie Harwell 2005 Charlie Bennett 1890 Wolverines Dan Brouthers 1890 Wolverines Sam Thompson 1890 Wolverines Andy Cooper 1930 Stars Edgar Wesley 1930 Stars Turkey Stearnes 1930 Stars Harry Coveleski 2007 Billy Rogell 2007 Bobby Higginson 2008 Mike Henneman 2008 Tony Phillips 2008 This was the HoF we did, in case the archives lose it. Quote
chasfh Posted February 21 Posted February 21 15 hours ago, Edman85 said: Player Year Note George Mullin 1915 Sam Crawford 1920 Bill Donovan 1920 Hughie Jennings 1925 Bobby Veach 1925 Ed Killian 1925 Ty Cobb 1930 Harry Heilmann 1930 Hooks Dauss 1930 Frank Navin 1935 Mickey Cochrane 1940 Donie Bush 1940 Charlie Gehringer 1945 Rudy York 1945 Schoolboy Rowe 1945 Hank Greenberg 1950 Tommy Bridges 1950 Hal Newhouser 1955 Dizzy Trout 1955 George Kell 1955 Walter Briggs, Sr. 1955 Ty Tyson 1955 Virgil Trucks 1960 Ray Boone 1960 Harvey Kuenn 1960 Fred Hutchinson 1960 Frank Lary 1965 Jim Bunning 1965 Vic Wertz 1965 Wish Egan 1965 Al Kaline 1975 Norm Cash 1975 Mickey Lolich 1975 **** McAuliffe 1975 Jim Northrup 1975 Willie Horton 1980 John Hiller 1980 Bill Freehan 1980 Rocky Colavito 1985 Denny McLain 1985 Jack Morris 1990 Lance Parrish 1990 Chet Lemon 1990 Lou Whitaker 1995 Kirk Gibson 1995 Sparky Anderson 1995 Paul Carey 1995 John Fetzer 1995 Alan Trammell 2000 Cecil Fielder 2000 Travis Fryman 2000 Jim Campbell 2000 Willie Hernandez 2005 Ernie Harwell 2005 Charlie Bennett 1890 Wolverines Dan Brouthers 1890 Wolverines Sam Thompson 1890 Wolverines Andy Cooper 1930 Stars Edgar Wesley 1930 Stars Turkey Stearnes 1930 Stars Harry Coveleski 2007 Billy Rogell 2007 Bobby Higginson 2008 Mike Henneman 2008 Tony Phillips 2008 This was the HoF we did, in case the archives lose it. Maybe put this on the Google resource Sheet you maintain for transactions? Perhaps expand its charter? Quote
Edman85 Posted February 21 Author Posted February 21 Right field... If somebody you have in mind isn't listed, there's a good chance they played more games in LF. There's a lot of guys not on this list who got bumped to LF. Right Fielders First Year Last Year PAWS Al Kaline 1953 1974 120.5 Harry Heilmann 1914 1929 95.3 Sam Crawford 1903 1917 85.5 Kirk Gibson 1979 1995 44.6 Jim Northrup 1964 1974 38.0 Vic Wertz 1947 1963 31.4 Roy Cullenbine 1938 1947 30.5 Magglio Ordonez 2006 2011 27.0 J.D. Martinez 2014 2017 26.7 Pete Fox 1933 1940 22.0 Carpenter is at 12.6, Perez at 4.2. Quote
Edman85 Posted July 11 Author Posted July 11 My live tracking this year got sidetracked by an old dog requiring frequent mopping, but Dillon Dingler moved into the Top 10 catchers: Catcher First Year Last Year PAWS Bill Freehan 1961 1976 67.5 Lance Parrish 1977 1986 49.4 Mickey Tettleton 1991 1994 29.3 Johnny Bassler 1921 1927 27.9 Ivan Rodriguez 2004 2008 26.4 Alex Avila 2009 2017 24.2 Mickey Cochrane 1934 1937 22.9 Brad Ausmus 1996 2000 15.4 Dillon Dingler 2024 13.7 Matt Nokes 1986 1990 13.3 Quote
chasfh Posted July 11 Posted July 11 1 hour ago, Edman85 said: My live tracking this year got sidetracked by an old dog requiring frequent mopping, but Dillon Dingler moved into the Top 10 catchers: Catcher First Year Last Year PAWS Bill Freehan 1961 1976 67.5 Lance Parrish 1977 1986 49.4 Mickey Tettleton 1991 1994 29.3 Johnny Bassler 1921 1927 27.9 Ivan Rodriguez 2004 2008 26.4 Alex Avila 2009 2017 24.2 Mickey Cochrane 1934 1937 22.9 Brad Ausmus 1996 2000 15.4 Dillon Dingler 2024 13.7 Matt Nokes 1986 1990 13.3 He will never catch up to Bill Freehan, and probably not Lance Parrish, because of both his late start and free agency, but I see no reason he can land in the top three of this list. Quote
chasfh Posted July 11 Posted July 11 Interesting thing I just learned about Johnny Bassler: he is sixth in big league history for most at bats with exactly one career home run (2,319), and the only hitter in the top 22 on that list with an OPS+ over 100, mainly because he was a walks machine. He would have been a 3x All-Star had they had the Game back then. Quote
Edman85 Posted July 14 Author Posted July 14 Left field (Riley Greene has moved from Center to Left, and is probably going to join the top 10 later this year) Left Fielders First Year Last Year PAWS Bobby Veach 1912 1923 67.2 Tony Phillips 1990 1994 44.1 Willie Horton 1963 1977 40.9 Rocky Colavito 1960 1963 36.7 Charlie Maxwell 1955 1962 35.4 Bobby Higginson 1995 2005 35.1 Steve Kemp 1977 1981 30.3 Matty McIntyre 1911 1911 29.5 Hoot Evers 1941 1954 26.5 **** Wakefield 1941 1949 25.8 First Base First Base First Year Last Year PAWS Hank Greenberg 1930 1946 84.7 Miguel Cabrera 2008 2024 77.7 Norm Cash 1960 1974 76.4 Rudy York 1934 1945 52.2 Lu Blue 1921 1927 33.5 Cecil Fielder 1990 1996 32.3 Darrell Evans 1984 1988 28.4 Jason Thompson 1976 1980 23.3 Tony Clark 1995 2001 22.9 Dale Alexander 1929 1932 19.6 And I can see why Jaffe doesn't break out DH's on their own, but just for fun. Jahmai Jones would have been on this list until mid May, and Valencia just missed. DH First Year Last Year PAWS Victor Martinez 2011 2018 15.3 Rusty Staub 1976 1979 11.7 Dmitri Young 2002 2006 11.7 Johnny Grubb 1983 1987 9.3 Gary Sheffield 2007 2008 5.6 Johnny Damon 2010 2010 5.3 Bill Madlock 1987 1987 2.6 Luis Polonia 1999 2000 2.5 Bob Hamelin 1997 1997 2.3 Keith Moreland 1989 1989 1.4 Quote
Tiger337 Posted July 14 Posted July 14 Bobby Higginson always ranks higher on these list than people expect. He played for bad teams his entire career and ended up poorly, but he was a good player overall. Quote
Tenacious D Posted July 14 Posted July 14 28 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: Bobby Higginson always ranks higher on these list than people expect. He played for bad teams his entire career and ended up poorly, but he was a good player overall. I dismiss him because he was the poster boy for probably the worst era of Tigers baseball during my lifetime. And I’m convinced he was juicing. His performance fell off quickly as soon as MLB started cracking down on PED’s Quote
Tiger337 Posted July 14 Posted July 14 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: I dismiss him because he was the poster boy for probably the worst era of Tigers baseball during my lifetime. And I’m convinced he was juicing. His performance fell off quickly as soon as MLB started cracking down on PED’s I think the number of players juicing in that era is so huge that I don't even consider it. It's hard to imagine players watching stars juicing, seeing nothing being done about it and just staying clean themselves. That's not how highly competitive people generally react. As soon as I found out about the football doing it, I knew that it would be widespread across sports. Edited July 14 by Tiger337 Quote
Tiger337 Posted July 14 Posted July 14 32 minutes ago, chasfh said: Also, Higginson well into his 30s. Right, His career path was not unusual. Quote
Graterol Posted July 15 Posted July 15 Sorry if I missed it but does this include career war with all teams or just tigers (I know the peak is just tigers). Quote
Edman85 Posted July 15 Author Posted July 15 8 minutes ago, Graterol said: Sorry if I missed it but does this include career war with all teams or just tigers (I know the peak is just tigers). Just Tigers... Quote
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