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[MichiganCardinal]

 

I know better than to put this in the NFL thread but this made me laugh in a not funny political time.

[Motown Bombers]

 

[oblong]

yeah I don't feel bad for not feeling bad for that ****.

[Tigerbomb13]

It’s wild times we live in now that conservatives are now anti 2A and “state’s rights”. 

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, Tigerbomb13 said:

It’s wild times we live in now that conservatives are now anti 2A and “state’s rights”. 

repetitive to say it of course but that is because they are not and never have been conservatives. Bob Dole was a conservative, Barry Goldwater was a conservative. Actual US conservatism died out with that generation. These people are more like what the scholastics were to the renaissance - primitive and irrational - fundamentally barbarians.

[Tigerbomb13]

5 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

repetitive to say it of course but that is because they are not and never have been conservatives. Bob Dole was a conservative, Barry Goldwater was a conservative. Actual US conservatism died out with that generation. These people are more like what the scholastics were to the renaissance - primitive and irrational - fundamentally barbarians.

Oh yeah. We know these  things they claimed were just for show. It’s all about owning the libs, so it’s whatever position feels the most convenient for them at the time. 

Edited 3 hours ago by Tigerbomb13

[CMRivdogs]

4 minutes ago, Tigerbomb13 said:

Oh yeah. We know these  things they claimed were just for show. It’s all about owning the libs, so it’s whatever position feels the most convenient for them at the time. 

The whole "Owning the Libs" came around with the arrival of Newt Gingrich and company not guys like Bob Dole. There were differences in opinion, sure, but some were willing to compromise not destroy. Guys like Rush Limbaugh, Jerry Falwell, Pat Roberson then Faux News turned it back into a separation that resembled the break between pro an anti slavery beliefs, that spread to other "grievances". Now it's all about $$$. And who controls it

 

[gehringer_2]

there is a more fundamental aspect to this though which to me is under-recognized, and that is honest, rational, constructive conservatism is by nature a stabilizing reaction to an active and potentially over ambitious or mis-directioned reform/liberal movement, and the truth is that liberalism as an active social re-organizing force was spent after the civil rights and great society pushes of the post WWII era. Liberalism has not had any kind of interesting or novel ideas or approaches for things like the stagnation of the middle class that are the things people are most deeply concerned about. It's been largely stuck in the social welfare theories of the 30's for 90 yrs now and the useful parts of those things are already in place. Or worse, it's been naval gazing over identity politics. You can hardly expect anything other than stagnation from Conservatism when there are no serious reform movements to be the counterbalance against. Are there even any decently serious thinkers in the democratic party on economic restructuring beyond Elizabeth Warren? AOC and Mamdani have welcome energy, but the DSA doesn't have the right answers to the future any more than the 50's British labor party they appear to want to emulate did.  

The country is desperate for ideas relevant to this century to reform corporate governance, education, politics, media; where are they?

Edited 2 hours ago by gehringer_2

[romad1]

7 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

there is a more fundamental aspect to this though which to me is under-recognized, and that is honest, rational, constructive conservatism is by nature a stabilizing reaction to an active and potentially over ambitious or mis-directioned reform/liberal movement, and the truth is that liberalism as an active social re-organizing force was spent after the civil rights and great society pushes of the post WWII era. Liberalism has not had any kind of interesting or novel ideas or approaches for things like the stagnation of the middle class that are the things people are most deeply concerned about. It's been largely stuck in the social welfare theories of the 30's for 90 yrs now and the useful parts of those things are already in place. Or worse, it's been naval gazing over identity politics. You can hardly expect anything other than stagnation from Conservatism when there are no serious reform movements to be the counterbalance against. Are there even any decently serious thinkers in the democratic party on economic restructuring beyond Elizabeth Warren? AOC and Mamdani have welcome energy, but the DSA doesn't have the right answers to the future any more than the 50's British labor party they appear to want to emulate did.  

The country is desperate for ideas relevant to this century to reform corporate governance, education, politics, media; where are they?

Ideology is a luxury. 

[gehringer_2]

7 minutes ago, romad1 said:

Ideology is a luxury. 

Ideology is a luxury, in fact i'd say ideology is always stumbling block; but good ideas are a necessity.

Edited 2 hours ago by gehringer_2

[romad1]

39 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Ideology is a luxury, in fact i'd say ideology is always stumbling block; but good ideas are a necessity.

I’m being facile of course. 

[romad1]

 

The sound bite of Stephen Miller screeching about how bad ass he is… Made for amusing bulwark pod listening

[Edman85]

FBI fueling election conspiracies is scary.