buddha Posted July 3 Posted July 3 4 hours ago, 1984Echoes said: I don't know... To me, LeVert and Green seem redundant. Both as 3&D vet swingmen to help guide the kids... Relatively the same minutes and points... LeVert with better playmaking skills and Green with better shooting, D, and toughness. I think Green beats LeVert handily looking at O & D rating and on/off. So I'm still of the mind that I am very fine signing back Green, but that LeVert is much more expensive, and expendable, for an upgrade. Just my 2 cents. lavert is a negative player. at least green can shoot. if we can get a bag of balls for lavert, they should take it. 1 Quote
Sports_Freak Posted July 4 Posted July 4 1 hour ago, buddha said: lavert is a negative player. at least green can shoot. if we can get a bag of balls for lavert, they should take it. I dont know the stats but I like Green's defense Quote
Deleterious Posted July 4 Author Posted July 4 They are both awful. It's like debating who should be the 3rd string QB. Quote
1984Echoes Posted July 4 Posted July 4 I disagree. Green costs <$4 mill to be subpar. LeVert costs $14 mill (last year... what's 2026 cost?) to be horrendous and to lose ground with his craptitude. Every time I watched them play with Green on the floor he seemed to make a defensive play or hit a 3 and they gained points on the other team. Every time I saw Levert on the floor we seemed to go on a cold, outscored by 16-4 run. Maybe that's just me... but I don't think so. They're not equivalent. Not even close. Quote
Deleterious Posted July 4 Author Posted July 4 Then you didn't watch the playoffs where Green averaged two points a game and shot 25% from three. The cost of their contacts has nothing to do with them being awful. The facts are if either one gets playoff minutes then something has gone seriously wrong. Quote
1984Echoes Posted July 4 Posted July 4 I'm not certain what you are saying here. Is your expectation that the 7th swingman on the Pistons roster needs to be someone who rises up and dominates in the playoffs? Is it your expectation that every roster spot on the Pistons must be manned by an All-Star or a dominating playoff presence? Because that seems a little... Unrealistic... to me. Current swingmen (SG's and SF's only) ahead of Green on the Pistons roster: Ausar, Duncan, Huerter, Holland, LeVert, Joe. Personally, I'm happy to have Green on the roster with much, much less expectations of him being only the vet presence that's needed once in a while either on the floor, or in the clubhouse, talking the young guys through any difficulties during the season. By the time the playoffs come around, I hope to never see him. Instead, I hope he's been a positive influence on guys like Lanier, Joe, Holland, Jenkins, etc... and it's THOSE guys who start to step up and become better players in the playoffs. I think he's the right guy for that job. Plus... during the season, he plays good, tough defense, and has 3-point range. Isn't that what each and every one of us keeps screaming that the Pistons need? Just my 2 cents. 2 Quote
KL2 Posted July 4 Posted July 4 I like this thread. Our own players suck and everybody else in the league is awful Quote
Deleterious Posted July 4 Author Posted July 4 3 hours ago, 1984Echoes said: I'm not certain what you are saying here. Is your expectation that the 7th swingman on the Pistons roster needs to be someone who rises up and dominates in the playoffs? Is it your expectation that every roster spot on the Pistons must be manned by an All-Star or a dominating playoff presence? Because that seems a little... Unrealistic... to me. Current swingmen (SG's and SF's only) ahead of Green on the Pistons roster: Ausar, Duncan, Huerter, Holland, LeVert, Joe. Personally, I'm happy to have Green on the roster with much, much less expectations of him being only the vet presence that's needed once in a while either on the floor, or in the clubhouse, talking the young guys through any difficulties during the season. By the time the playoffs come around, I hope to never see him. Instead, I hope he's been a positive influence on guys like Lanier, Joe, Holland, Jenkins, etc... and it's THOSE guys who start to step up and become better players in the playoffs. I think he's the right guy for that job. Plus... during the season, he plays good, tough defense, and has 3-point range. Isn't that what each and every one of us keeps screaming that the Pistons need? Just my 2 cents. Pretty obvious what I'm saying from my third string QB comment. It's an absolutely irrelevant signing, much like every 14th man on the roster. Much like every 3rd string QB on every NFL team in the league. Only you would sit here and try to romanticize the 14th guy on the roster. Quote
1984Echoes Posted July 4 Posted July 4 6 minutes ago, Deleterious said: ... Only you would sit here and try to romanticize the 14th guy on the roster. This is how I started this off: On 7/3/2026 at 1:19 PM, 1984Echoes said: Duncan, LeVert, and Holland are at the top of the list of players to move off the roster in the search for improvements. Should one of them be moved... Dump Duncan, Levert, and/or Holland. This is what you are calling romanticizing the 14th guy? Quote
Deleterious Posted July 4 Author Posted July 4 16 hours ago, 1984Echoes said: I disagree. Green costs <$4 mill to be subpar. LeVert costs $14 mill (last year... what's 2026 cost?) to be horrendous and to lose ground with his craptitude. Every time I watched them play with Green on the floor he seemed to make a defensive play or hit a 3 and they gained points on the other team. Every time I saw Levert on the floor we seemed to go on a cold, outscored by 16-4 run. Maybe that's just me... but I don't think so. They're not equivalent. Not even close. This is you romanticizing the 14th player. Quote
1984Echoes Posted July 4 Posted July 4 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Deleterious said: This is you romanticizing the 14th player. Seriously? That's it? All I'm saying is he (Green) has a ROLE to play on the Pistons, as a 6th or 7th swingman who is simply vet leadership and makes positive plays when asked and doesn't cost more than what that role is worth, and it is my belief that Levert does NOT have a role (or at least it is redundant to Green's exact same role), is overpaid for that redundant role, is a HUGE NEGATIVE when he is on the floor playing that role, and therefore let's dump Levert for whatever we can get. Levert's roster spot is more important to the Pistons than the player himself. That certainly sounds so very romantic to me. Edited July 4 by 1984Echoes Quote
Deleterious Posted July 4 Author Posted July 4 4 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: Seriously? That's it? All I'm saying is he (Green) has a ROLE to play on the Pistons and doesn't cost more than what that role is worth, and it is my belief that Levert does NOT have a role, is overpaid for not having a role, and therefore let's dump Levert for whatever we can get. Levert's roster spot is more important to the Pistons than the player himself. That certainly sounds so very romantic to me. Thats it? You said every single time you see him on the court he is playing D and hitting 3's. That guy makes over $30 million a year, not $4 million a year. That is pretty much the definition of romanticizing. No clue why you keep bringing up LeVert, other than trying to hide your bad argument about Green. I said LeVert is also awful and irrelevant. If both guys disappeared today and were never replaced, absolutely nothing changes for the Pistons this season. That is 3rd string QB territory. Anyway, getting the stink eye for ignoring our guests so know yourself out with this. Quote
NorthWoods Posted July 5 Posted July 5 (edited) Even though his time here as Coach was short lived, gotta love Mo Cheeks as a person: https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/article/natalie-gilbert-maurice-cheeks-reunite-22-years-after-memorable-moment-during-national-anthem-125209057.html Edited July 5 by NorthWoods Quote
NorthWoods Posted July 5 Posted July 5 2 minutes ago, papalawrence said: That was 22 years ago? More than......4/25/03 Quote
Deleterious Posted July 5 Author Posted July 5 All the contracts can be signed starting tomorrow. All the trades will be completed as well, or at least can be. The Pistons should have at least one more trade coming. They have a ton of guards and only 1 PF so they need some sort of rebalancing trade at a minimum. 1 Quote
NYLion Posted July 5 Posted July 5 They have 8 guards to my knowledge so something has to give. Cade, Robinson, Huerter, LaVert, Joe, Jenkins, Lanier, Okorie, Green. They have no backup power forward assuming that Reed plays the 5 and are pretty shallow at wing with Ausar and Holland, who else? Langdon must have something in the works, hoping that it's something like Robinson, LaVert plus three 1sts for Murphy or something like that. Quote
NorthWoods Posted July 6 Posted July 6 1 hour ago, NYLion said: They have 8 guards to my knowledge so something has to give. Cade, Robinson, Huerter, LaVert, Joe, Jenkins, Lanier, Okorie, Green. They have no backup power forward assuming that Reed plays the 5 and are pretty shallow at wing with Ausar and Holland, who else? Langdon must have something in the works, hoping that it's something like Robinson, LaVert plus three 1sts for Murphy or something like that. Or the plan is to run teams off the floor. Quote
Deleterious Posted July 6 Author Posted July 6 A little concerning these KD rumors wont go away. Quote
buddha Posted July 6 Posted July 6 i mean, the pistons have to bring duren back now or go get two more bigs. Quote
Betrayer Posted July 6 Posted July 6 7 hours ago, NYLion said: They have 8 guards to my knowledge so something has to give. Cade, Robinson, Huerter, LaVert, Joe, Jenkins, Lanier, Okorie, Green. They have no backup power forward assuming that Reed plays the 5 and are pretty shallow at wing with Ausar and Holland, who else? Langdon must have something in the works, hoping that it's something like Robinson, LaVert plus three 1sts for Murphy or something like that. You're forgetting that JB ran Javonte at PF most of the time 😞 Hopefully that's not actually the answer. Quote
Deleterious Posted July 6 Author Posted July 6 Ausar is eligible to sign an extension starting today. Quote
Deleterious Posted July 6 Author Posted July 6 I think that is the one created when they sign and traded Schroeder. Quote
Shinzaki Posted July 6 Posted July 6 (edited) 2 hours ago, Deleterious said: Ausar is eligible to sign an extension starting today. Would not max him either I like Green as a bench player..plays with a bit of an edge and can shoot the ball a little Edited July 6 by Shinzaki Quote
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