NorthWoods Posted June 17 Posted June 17 I'm on the selling but not necessarily giving up bandwagon. Say we traded Skubal for a MLB ready Outfielder or two. So we improve the lineup. You still have Valdez, Flaherty, Montero, Madden, Melton, Verlander, Mize to build a rotation depending on health/production at that point in time. Heck Jobe might even be ready for a start or two. If so, you could even see what Mize might bring. While I grant that this weakens the pitching it would hopefully strengthen the offense for this year and the future. Quote
chasfh Posted June 17 Posted June 17 I think there are a lot of possibilities on the table, but I would be shocked if one of them is Scott Harris blowing everything up and starting us all over from scratch à la Al Avila 2017. That’s not what he was brought here to do. Quote
Tiger337 Posted June 17 Posted June 17 1 hour ago, monkeytargets39 said: You don’t have to give up on the season, but you have to make decisions based off of the reality of the situation. I don't have to make any decisions. That's all on Harris. 😉 Quote
Tigermojo Posted June 17 Author Posted June 17 Other AL Central teams are also getting bitten by the injury bug now. Quote
monkeytargets39 Posted June 17 Posted June 17 3 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: I don't have to make any decisions. That's all on Harris. 😉 Yeah but we’d have to make the decision on if we hate Harris afterwords 😅 1 Quote
AlaskanTigersFan Posted June 17 Posted June 17 1 hour ago, chasfh said: I think there are a lot of possibilities on the table, but I would be shocked if one of them is Scott Harris blowing everything up and starting us all over from scratch à la Al Avila 2017. That’s not what he was brought here to do. I for sure think a retool is in order. Torres, Skubal and Mize should be moved. If they get a good offer for Framber, move him too. Target two years down the road. They should of done this a while ago. The farm will produce pitchers, but we need stud prospects. Not sure if next year will happen or not, so we should plan on 2028 being our year and build according. They could have a MONSTER young team if they pull off this trade deadline properly....... Quote
chasfh Posted June 17 Posted June 17 I don’t think they get anything for Torres and rather little for Mize since he is an ongoing injury risk. So is Skubal now, so the next few starts are going to be crucial for us to determine how much we can get for him and whether it is worth it at that point. Quote
Tiger337 Posted June 17 Posted June 17 I also think they will get nothing of significance for Torres. I suspect they will keep Mize and make a qualifying offer after the season. Assuming they are selling, Skubal would be traded but probably nobody else of great value. Maybe if Jansen or another reliever gets hot, they can get something but those guys aren't going to bring back a big prospect. 1 1 Quote
4hzglory Posted June 17 Posted June 17 36 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: I also think they will get nothing of significance for Torres. I suspect they will keep Mize and make a qualifying offer after the season. Assuming they are selling, Skubal would be traded but probably nobody else of great value. Maybe if Jansen or another reliever gets hot, they can get something but those guys aren't going to bring back a big prospect. 100% agree with every point of this. Quote
AlaskanTigersFan Posted June 17 Posted June 17 (edited) If Mize pitches well the next few times up, he could fetch a 80-100 top prospect. Any pitcher would probably be the target. Torres could net a 100-125 prospect. Besides Arraez, there's not really anyone else that plays 2B that can/will be moved. But think of this more like a Max Anderson level type prospect. Mize could get a pretty good return if we move him...... https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/casey-mize-663554?stats=statcast-r-pitching-mlb - This season, he's pitching like a true #2....... He's extremely valuable if he throws 3 more good starts....... Edited June 17 by AlaskanTigersFan Quote
monkeytargets39 Posted June 17 Posted June 17 It’s worth shopping them though. We got Reese Olson for Daniel Norris for example. These guys with minimal value might still net us a projectable bullpen arm or something. Quote
monkeytargets39 Posted June 17 Posted June 17 15 minutes ago, AlaskanTigersFan said: If Mize pitches well the next few times up, he could fetch a 80-100 top prospect. Any pitcher would probably be the target. Torres could net a 100-125 prospect. Besides Arraez, there's not really anyone else that plays 2B that can/will be moved. But think of this more like a Max Anderson level type prospect. Mize could get a pretty good return if we move him...... https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/casey-mize-663554?stats=statcast-r-pitching-mlb - This season, he's pitching like a true #2....... He's extremely valuable if he throws 3 more good starts....... I think it’s a good idea to take advantage of desperation this trade season. There’s a lot of teams “still in it” and with a work stoppage possible, they may gamble on themselves this year. If you play it right, returns could be better than expected. 1 Quote
NorthWoods Posted June 17 Posted June 17 1 hour ago, Tiger337 said: I also think they will get nothing of significance for Torres. I suspect they will keep Mize and make a qualifying offer after the season. Assuming they are selling, Skubal would be traded but probably nobody else of great value. Maybe if Jansen or another reliever gets hot, they can get something but those guys aren't going to bring back a big prospect. Probably pretty close unless Mize stays healthy and pitches well. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted June 17 Posted June 17 5 minutes ago, chasfh said: I don’t think they get anything for Torres and rather little for Mize since he is an ongoing injury risk. So is Skubal now, so the next few starts are going to be crucial for us to determine how much we can get for him and whether it is worth it at that point. If I'm playing arm chair GM - I deal Skubal with the emphasis on quality - not quantity - one honestly good MLB ready position player, I don't care about any long shot low level throw in lottery tickers, in fact maybe we even take back a contract (since with the need to sign Skubal gone we have some flexibility) that gets us an even higher level on the key return piece. Just hang on to Mize assuming we can re-sign him at reasonable cost (hopefully the FO already has some sense of what Casey is looking for) - maybe something with a nice AAV but short term if he wants to bet on himself getting through a full season to boost his value for a 28 shot at FA. The starting pitching can't be better with Skubal gone but there are a lot of arms in the pipeline that will probably at least be competitive - if the defend and hit they can be a good team with out Tarik. Thats why that one return piece has to be solid. Then spend all the left over cash on a couple of better bullpen pieces. Quote
NorthWoods Posted June 17 Posted June 17 49 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: If I'm playing arm chair GM - I deal Skubal with the emphasis on quality - not quantity - one honestly good MLB ready position player, Maybe we could get a prospect like Paredes, Adames or Suarez........... 1 1 Quote
papalawrence Posted June 17 Posted June 17 R Devers is on the block. Owed 211 mil. Good luck off-loading that contract. Quote
SoCalTiger Posted June 18 Posted June 18 9 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: If I'm playing arm chair GM - I deal Skubal with the emphasis on quality - not quantity - one honestly good MLB ready position player, I don't care about any long shot low level throw in lottery tickers, in fact maybe we even take back a contract (since with the need to sign Skubal gone we have some flexibility) that gets us an even higher level on the key return piece. Just hang on to Mize assuming we can re-sign him at reasonable cost (hopefully the FO already has some sense of what Casey is looking for) - maybe something with a nice AAV but short term if he wants to bet on himself getting through a full season to boost his value for a 28 shot at FA. The starting pitching can't be better with Skubal gone but there are a lot of arms in the pipeline that will probably at least be competitive - if the defend and hit they can be a good team with out Tarik. Thats why that one return piece has to be solid. Then spend all the left over cash on a couple of better bullpen pieces. I totally agree with this. Add one true building block position player. Quote
LongLiveMaroth Posted June 18 Posted June 18 https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/49082474/ranking-mlb-trade-deadline-candidates-top-100-skubal-chapman-peralta-arraez Skubal is #1 obviously but Torres is #14 and Mize is #16, biggest thing is the QO on Mize which will drive his price up as pointed out by the article but I wouldn't be surprised by getting back a fringe top 100 guy for him if Mize continues to pull it together. Quote
monkeytargets39 Posted June 18 Posted June 18 1 hour ago, LongLiveMaroth said: https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/49082474/ranking-mlb-trade-deadline-candidates-top-100-skubal-chapman-peralta-arraez Skubal is #1 obviously but Torres is #14 and Mize is #16, biggest thing is the QO on Mize which will drive his price up as pointed out by the article but I wouldn't be surprised by getting back a fringe top 100 guy for him if Mize continues to pull it together. I think people are underestimating Mizes value at the deadline. He’s someone I could see being high on the radar for a low-budget contender like the Pirates or (gulp) the Rays. Quote
Tenacious D Posted June 19 Posted June 19 11 hours ago, monkeytargets39 said: I think people are underestimating Mizes value at the deadline. He’s someone I could see being high on the radar for a low-budget contender like the Pirates or (gulp) the Rays. Completely agree. I’d rather give him the QO and get another season out of him or a draft pick vs settling. Fans usually over-value their own players. In Casey’s instance, I think he’s being undervalued. 1 Quote
monkeytargets39 Posted June 19 Posted June 19 45 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: Completely agree. I’d rather give him the QO and get another season out of him or a draft pick vs settling. Fans usually over-value their own players. In Casey’s instance, I think he’s being undervalued. I’d be perfectly fine with extending him. But if you can fleece someone at the deadline, do it. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted June 19 Posted June 19 (edited) 10 hours ago, Tenacious D said: Completely agree. I’d rather give him the QO and get another season out of him or a draft pick vs settling. Fans usually over-value their own players. In Casey’s instance, I think he’s being undervalued. The thing with Casey is that he will draw deadline interest but his injury history might make in him relatively easy signing if the Tiger's keep him, so there's upside to either choice. It's possible to trade him and then sign him as a FA, but that's not going to happen often - Flaherty not withstanding. Edited June 19 by gehringer_2 Quote
AlaskanTigersFan Posted June 19 Posted June 19 Mize could return a prospect in the 80-100 range.... Anything above that, I'd be kind of shocked........ But still, to get a top 100 prospect for a half year of Mize..... I'd take that. Quote
monkeytargets39 Posted June 19 Posted June 19 7 hours ago, papalawrence said: Mize to the Rays, 3 top-5 CY seasons straight ahead And whomever we get back will suddenly spontaneously combust during BP and McGonigle will get hurt by the collateral damage Quote
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