Tiger337 Posted July 29 Posted July 29 8 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said: yeah, it was the Drew Anderson relief appearance of posts. 1 Quote
Tenacious D Posted July 29 Posted July 29 14 minutes ago, RedRamage said: See, today's game is why I have so little confidence in the Tigers doing anything substantial down the stretch or into the playoffs if they somehow make it. You're ace on the mound... a 7-0 lead after 6, then whoops! now it's a tie game. The O's have THREE ERRORS and the Tigers are still in danger of give this one up as we enter the bottom of the 12th down a run. Edit to add: I know that one game does not a season make. But this kind of stuff seems to happen way too often for me to consider the Tigers a good team. But, it’s not one game. We are under .500 since the All-Star break, when the team needed to chip away at the difference. Another blown save. Does anyone really think we can upgrade 6 bullpen slots? This team is flawed. This is now Harris’ defining moment in his Tigers tenure. He already made one mistake in the construction of this pen. Will he further exacerbate it, or try and salvage next season and beyond? Quote
RatkoVarda Posted July 29 Posted July 29 100% must trade Skubal; the team's terrible play will not allow Harris to even pretend there is a chance he keeps Skubal; everyone knows it; EVERYONE. 2 Quote
SeattleMike Posted July 29 Posted July 29 9 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: But, it’s not one game. We are under .500 since the All-Star break, when the team needed to chip away at the difference. Another blown save. Does anyone really think we can upgrade 6 bullpen slots? This team is flawed. This is now Harris’ defining moment in his Tigers tenure. He already made one mistake in the construction of this pen. Will he further exacerbate it, or try and salvage next season and beyond? They are a game over .500 since the break, not that it matters. Quote
Tenacious D Posted July 29 Posted July 29 2 minutes ago, SeattleMike said: They are a game over .500 since the break, not that it matters. 2-2 vs Royals and 1-2 vs Orioles, correct? Quote
SeattleMike Posted July 29 Posted July 29 Just now, Tenacious D said: 2-2 vs Royals and 1-2 vs Orioles, correct? 4-2 road trip preceded this homestand. Quote
Hongbit Posted July 29 Posted July 29 They currently have 4 arms in the bullpen that aren’t trustable in Finnegan, Anderson, Hanifee, and Sommers. 3 others that are just barely in Holton, Whackinoff, and Jansen. This is not something that can be patched. It’s a critical error made by Harris. 1 Quote
Tenacious D Posted July 29 Posted July 29 7 minutes ago, SeattleMike said: 4-2 road trip preceded this homestand. Thanks. How easy some forget. Quote
Tiger337 Posted July 29 Posted July 29 1 minute ago, Hongbit said: They currently have 4 arms in the bullpen that aren’t trustable in Finnegan, Anderson, Hanifee, and Sommers. 3 others that are just barely in Holton, Whackinoff, and Jansen. This is not something that can be patched. It’s a critical error made by Harris. It's Wackypack. He's been pretty good so far, although I don't trust him to continue given his track record. 1 Quote
monkeytargets39 Posted July 29 Posted July 29 37 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: 2-2 vs Royals and 1-2 vs Orioles, correct? 2-1 vs Angels Quote
Hongbit Posted July 29 Posted July 29 35 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: It's Wackypack. He's been pretty good so far, although I don't trust him to continue given his track record. I like it. I think I may start calling him Moron Salt Quote
monkeytargets39 Posted July 29 Posted July 29 43 minutes ago, Hongbit said: They currently have 4 arms in the bullpen that aren’t trustable in Finnegan, Anderson, Hanifee, and Sommers. 3 others that are just barely in Holton, Whackinoff, and Jansen. This is not something that can be patched. It’s a critical error made by Harris. I thought the combo of Holton/Hurter/Anderson/Finnegan/Vest/Jansen would be serviceably around league average based on previous production. I don’t necessarily fault Harris for putting that group together and expecting it to be ok. What really raised a red flag for me was how we basically went through all of the offseason and spring training with several bullpen spots open for competition—and then ended up just grabbing DeJesus, Seabold and Smith days before the season started and just plugged them in. What would we have done if we weren’t able to even grab those three? It was alarmingly reactive to a known problem from last year instead of anything that looked like a laid out plan being followed. It’s not the first time that Harris has seemingly entered into a scenario and just seemed to wing it a bit—namely the last two trade deadlines. So if that happens again I think it’s fair to call for him to be removed as GM even though I think he should stay on as a business operator since his organizational changes have been positive Quote
Tiger337 Posted July 29 Posted July 29 3 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said: I thought the combo of Holton/Hurter/Anderson/Finnegan/Vest/Jansen would be serviceably around league average based on previous production. I don’t necessarily fault Harris for putting that group together and expecting it to be ok. You can't predict bullpens. It's great if you can have one of those rare relievers who gets it done every year, but the bullpen is such a big part of the game now and so random that it's really hard to put together a staff. 2 Quote
Tenacious D Posted July 29 Posted July 29 Ultimately, the person pulling the strings is responsible for the outcome. Perhaps a different story if it was a rash of injuries, but that wasn’t the case. Fair or unfair, most jobs are assessed on outcomes. I’ll feel better about him if he navigates this trade deadline much better than the last couple. He has some coveted assets to leverage with a big group of teams buying. 2 Quote
monkeytargets39 Posted July 29 Posted July 29 Just now, Tiger337 said: You can't predict bullpens. It's great if you can have one of those rare relievers who gets it done every year, but the bullpen is such a big part of the game now and so random that it's really hard to put together a staff. 100%. I feel like all GMs surely know that, so as a fan you’d like to see a bit more of a visible fire exit route if the pen just isn’t getting it done. Signing these guys to high ticket contracts and then just riding it out with them when it isn’t working is highly unsatisfying and feels like it can really deflate an otherwise good team. Quote
Hongbit Posted July 29 Posted July 29 Harris definitely was unable to predict that Dylan Smiith would be more consistent than almost everyone in his bullpen when he gave him away to his old pals at the Giants for nothing. Quote
alex Posted July 29 Posted July 29 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tiger337 said: You can't predict bullpens. It's great if you can have one of those rare relievers who gets it done every year, but the bullpen is such a big part of the game now and so random that it's really hard to put together a staff. This day and age this is soooo true. Look at 2024 and the 'pitching chaos' - who could have known. RPs are so volatile. Did we not have Paul Sewald last year and no one was complaining when we did not re-sign him for this year? Now he has 23 saves for the year so far. Is Dylan Smith for SF doing 'alright'? Yet, neither is by no means any sure thing at all. We had going into the season three guys with 20+ save a year ago - now the team may not get 30 saves this whole year! Unfortunately starting pitching simply does not hold the same importance it did 15, 25 and further than that of years ago. Just look at today's game, Skubal does well, pitches 6.2 innings, leading 7-0. Then look at Tyler Rogers 6IP 7 runs (4ER) - and what team won the game? Regardless if the team trades Skubal or not, there will be more injuries as well to ALL teams. All of the aforementioned is in part why there is so much parody today. A week from now Detroit could go on roll and win 6 of 8 and be right back in the thick of it - again. The sport is becoming a game of attrition. Yes, bullpens are very unpredictable as teams try to add/subtract, match up, etc. Then they have to be rested adequately and schedules are too excessive for that and IMHO too few roster spots. Edited July 29 by alex Quote
Tiger337 Posted July 30 Posted July 30 57 minutes ago, papalawrence said: Joe Nathan is available I prefer Troy Percival. Quote
kdog Posted July 30 Posted July 30 2 hours ago, monkeytargets39 said: I thought the combo of Holton/Hurter/Anderson/Finnegan/Vest/Jansen would be serviceably around league average based on previous production. I don’t necessarily fault Harris for putting that group together and expecting it to be ok. What really raised a red flag for me was how we basically went through all of the offseason and spring training with several bullpen spots open for competition—and then ended up just grabbing DeJesus, Seabold and Smith days before the season started and just plugged them in. What would we have done if we weren’t able to even grab those three? It was alarmingly reactive to a known problem from last year instead of anything that looked like a laid out plan being followed. It’s not the first time that Harris has seemingly entered into a scenario and just seemed to wing it a bit—namely the last two trade deadlines. So if that happens again I think it’s fair to call for him to be removed as GM even though I think he should stay on as a business operator since his organizational changes have been positive On the Tigers minor league report podcst, they mentioned that a lot of decent bullpen guys from converrted starters. The Tigers don't have anything in the high minors right now. That's why they have to scrap heap everytime a guy implodes or gets hurt. Quote
casimir Posted July 30 Posted July 30 25 minutes ago, kdog said: On the Tigers minor league report podcst, they mentioned that a lot of decent bullpen guys from converrted starters. The Tigers don't have anything in the high minors right now. That's why they have to scrap heap everytime a guy implodes or gets hurt. They have approximately 72 relievers in Toledo that have been gathered via waiver claim. What is the purpose of stockpiling some of that detritus if they aren’t good enough to be bumped up to this shambled atrocity of an arm barn? Good grief, what an absolute disaster that group has been. Quote
AlaskanTigersFan Posted July 30 Posted July 30 1 hour ago, Tiger337 said: I prefer Troy Percival. Is Urbina out of jail yet? Quote
1984Echoes Posted July 30 Posted July 30 If we're pulling out names from the past then just give me Willie Hernandez, Aurelio Lopez, and John Hiller. Lefty/ righty lockdown and proficient at 3-inning shutdowns/ saves. I'll take a little of each and add 15 wins to this team thank you very much. Quote
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