Sports_Freak Posted August 13 Posted August 13 Valdez has started 24 games. Take away his worst 14 and hes pretty good. Too bad we don't play the Angels and A's more often. Quote
Sports_Freak Posted August 13 Posted August 13 21 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said: In the event that we do make the playoffs, Framber shouldn’t be in the rotation Thats not how it works. When the current GM signs or trades for a player, they get multiple chances to...soil the bed. You better believe Valdez will be starting a playoff game. As well as getting 30+ starts next season. Quote
Sports_Freak Posted August 13 Posted August 13 21 minutes ago, chasfh said: Maybe this sounds dumb, but that was the best loss I seen by the Tigers since I don't know when. Don't agree. At all. Quote
Tigermojo Posted August 13 Posted August 13 15 minutes ago, Adullin said: What was Dingler doing that lost at bat Sitting on the splitter I assume. Quote
diaspora04 Posted August 13 Posted August 13 27 minutes ago, Tigermojo said: Sitting on the splitter I assume. I suspect you are correct. Quote
NorthWoods Posted August 13 Posted August 13 Compared to Max's battle Dingler offered no resistance. Upside is that we won't see Smith tomorrow and maybe the record long outing sits him for a couple extra days. Quote
Adullin Posted August 13 Posted August 13 55 minutes ago, Tigermojo said: Sitting on the splitter I assume. all three pitches? Quote
Tigermojo Posted August 13 Posted August 13 37 minutes ago, Adullin said: all three pitches? The first two were dotted on the corners. My other thought was that can't be a fastball down the middle, must be the split that will drop out of the zone. Quote
Sports_Freak Posted August 13 Posted August 13 Just an FYI; A win would have put Detroit into the 3rd wildcard spot. It's only a matter of time... Quote
oblong Posted August 13 Posted August 13 All I got to say about Dingler's at bat is baseball is hard. 1 1 Quote
chasfh Posted August 13 Posted August 13 3 hours ago, oblong said: All I got to say about Dingler's at bat is baseball is hard. Agree, but he should have at least tried to compete on that two-strike pitch and he did not. I'm pretty sure he will file that in his mental bank for future reference. Live and learn, I guess. 1 Quote
SoCalTiger Posted August 13 Posted August 13 33 minutes ago, chasfh said: Agree, but he should have at least tried to compete on that two-strike pitch and he did not. I'm pretty sure he will file that in his mental bank for future reference. Live and learn, I guess. I just hope his battery isn't starting to run low carrying this team on his back and now with Riley out even more pressure. It's hard to sustain playing on such a high level on both sides of the ball and small cracks are unfortunately and understandbly emerging like that ay bat and the passed ball yesterday. 1 Quote
oblong Posted August 13 Posted August 13 6 hours ago, chasfh said: Agree, but he should have at least tried to compete on that two-strike pitch and he did not. I'm pretty sure he will file that in his mental bank for future reference. Live and learn, I guess. I don’t know what “compete” means in this context. Half ass swing on a pitch when it’s too late? Obviously he either thought it was a ball or guessed wrong on the pitch. It wasn’t a conscious decision to not compete. They were 99 mph. There’s no advice or guidance we can offer him that he didn’t know after each pitch. He’s a catcher and good player and got beat by a good pitcher on good pitches. That’s baseball. It’s hard. Quote
chasfh Posted August 13 Posted August 13 Just now, oblong said: I don’t know what “compete” means in this context. Half ass swing on a pitch when it’s too late? Obviously he either thought it was a ball or guessed wrong on the pitch. It wasn’t a conscious decision to not compete. They were 99 mph. There’s no advice or guidance we can offer him that he didn’t know after each pitch. He’s a catcher and good player and got beat by a good pitcher on good pitches. That’s baseball. It’s hard. If a half ass swing could get him enough contact to foul off the ball and get him another bite at the apple, then yes, a half ass swing would do. My opinion of Dillon Dingler does not turn on his failure in this at bat. My opinion of him is the same now as it was yesterday morning. He's a very good major leaguer at minimum, and possibly the best catcher in the game right now. This doesn't mean he can't be criticized for doing something wrong, as though he were a pretty cheerleader or something. I believe he should have sought to protect on the 0-2 pitch in this specific high leverage at bat given the team was down two in the ninth inning with one out already and the tying run on base. And I would bet he would agree. Quote
oblong Posted August 13 Posted August 13 I have to think a player of his caliber knows more than you do what a half ass swing would accomplish. If he could have deliberately fouled it off he would have. That’s not an actual choice on a 99 MPH pitch. You are giving the impression he made a deliberate decision to not only not swing at a strike but not even try to foul it off. This isn’t a board game. If a player had that as an option why would they not do it? You act like he just conceded a putt on the green. This sounds too much like something I’d hear from a crotchety old scout from 1982 or “Doug from Roseville” on 97.1. It’s not about competing. It’s about a pitcher beating a hitter. 1 Quote
Tiger337 Posted August 13 Posted August 13 6 minutes ago, oblong said: I have to think a player of his caliber knows more than you do what a half ass swing would accomplish. If he could have deliberately fouled it off he would have. That’s not an actual choice on a 99 MPH pitch. You are giving the impression he made a deliberate decision to not only not swing at a strike but not even try to foul it off. This isn’t a board game. If a player had that as an option why would they not do it? You act like he just conceded a putt on the green. This sounds too much like something I’d hear from a crotchety old scout from 1982 or “Doug from Roseville” on 97.1. It’s not about competing. It’s about a pitcher beating a hitter. It could have at least sweared loudly and then thrown his helmet against the dugout wall. That would show that he was competitive. 2 1 Quote
NorthWoods Posted August 13 Posted August 13 19 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: It could have at least sweared loudly and then thrown his helmet against the dugout wall. That would show that he was competitive. If he broke the helmet he'd climb a rung toward gritty. 1 Quote
chasfh Posted August 13 Posted August 13 1 hour ago, oblong said: I have to think a player of his caliber knows more than you do what a half ass swing would accomplish. If he could have deliberately fouled it off he would have. That’s not an actual choice on a 99 MPH pitch. You are giving the impression he made a deliberate decision to not only not swing at a strike but not even try to foul it off. This isn’t a board game. If a player had that as an option why would they not do it? You act like he just conceded a putt on the green. This sounds too much like something I’d hear from a crotchety old scout from 1982 or “Doug from Roseville” on 97.1. It’s not about competing. It’s about a pitcher beating a hitter. Harsh, man. But OK. You got friends on it. I simply think he could have done something with it if he was prepared to fight off 0-2 pitches down the middle of the zone, something we've seen countless major league players do. But, YMOV. Yours truly, Crotchety Old Chas from Roseville on 97.1 2 Quote
oblong Posted August 14 Posted August 14 1 hour ago, chasfh said: Harsh, man. But OK. You got friends on it. I simply think he could have done something with it if he was prepared to fight off 0-2 pitches down the middle of the zone, something we've seen countless major league players do. But, YMOV. Yours truly, Crotchety Old Chas from Roseville on 97.1 I got probably reacted to the word “compete” which i interpret as having some heavy connotation. My overall point is that failure doesn’t mean a fault. When a guy throws 100 you go in looking for something and if he’s hitting his spots elsewhere you are praying it’s ball because you have no chance. Quote
chasfh Posted August 14 Posted August 14 1 hour ago, oblong said: I got probably reacted to the word “compete” which i interpret as having some heavy connotation. My overall point is that failure doesn’t mean a fault. When a guy throws 100 you go in looking for something and if he’s hitting his spots elsewhere you are praying it’s ball because you have no chance. I honestly never considered the word might trigger, and I’m genuinely sorry it had that effect. It’s definitely not what I was going for. I meant “compete” only in the very narrow instance of that single at bat. I certainly didn’t mean to imply Dillon Dingler is a quitter or a slacker or anything along those lines. He was merely unprepared for that particularly pitch at that particular moment, and at an unfortunately critical part of the game. He was obviously expecting something else, and simply wasn’t ready for gas. He merely got caught flat-footed. In a career that will hopefully exceed 5,000 at bats for him, it’s gonna happen at least several dozen times. I just believe that given the situation, he might have considered a more conservative approach to keep the at bat alive until he could maybe draw a walk or get something to drive—which, honestly, this pitch looked like based only on where it landed. Dillion Dingler is going to have a great career. No one except maybe you and I will remember he even had this at bat, and that would be only because of all this. Quote
Tiger337 Posted August 14 Posted August 14 7 minutes ago, chasfh said: Dillion Dingler is going to have a great career. No one except maybe you and I will remember he even had this at bat, and that would be only because of all this. I'll remember it too. 1 Quote
NorthWoods Posted August 14 Posted August 14 3 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: I'll remember it too. Same Quote
lordstanley Posted August 14 Posted August 14 Rangers losing 7-0 to the Angels in the 8th. Tigers about to be alone in the 3rd wildcard spot. 1 Quote
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