08/19/2026 12:35p EDT Detroit Tigers vs Pittsburgh Pirates

[IdahoBert]

11 minutes ago, SoCalTiger said:

So we now need  a 20-15 finish to be even at 81-81. That’s .571 ball. Will it be enough and can we do it ?

That seems like a stretch. At least there’s always cricket, lawn bowling, curling, and Australian rugby to take the sting off of it. 

[IdahoBert]

I’m not down on Scott Harris about any of this.

The fact that he didn’t go to Walmart and purchase some really good relievers nurtured in their hydroponic greenhouses doesn’t bother me. He wants to grow his own. Which to my understanding is a pretty good business option these days.

[gehringer_2]

4 minutes ago, IdahoBert said:

I’m not down on Scott Harris about any of this.

The fact that he didn’t go to Walmart and purchase some really good relievers nurtured in their hydroponic greenhouses doesn’t bother me. He wants to grow his own. Which to my understanding is a pretty good business option these days.

The bullpen was the most questionable part of this team going into the season - Vest may have been the player they could least afford to lose out of all the guys that have gone down.

[monkeytargets39]

7 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

The bullpen was the most questionable part of this team going into the season - Vest may have been the player they could least afford to lose out of all the guys that have gone down.

 Not having Hurter hurts also

[Motor City Sonics]

Most Blown Saves in a season    37,  Nationals 2021

This year - Nationals  32,  Tigers 28.      The Nats have 33 saves,  the Tigers have 26.   So more BLOWN saves, than saves. 

I think the league average is about 62%.   That's a 16-game swing?   Something like that.   They'd be easily in first. 

But they keep going back to the same garbage instead of just TRYING something different.  

[Tiger337]

10 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

But they keep going back to the same garbage instead of just TRYING something different.  

What would you try?  

[Tiger337]

Jansen just inspires no confidence at all.  He doesn't throw that hard and looks out of shape.  Even when he does well, I expect him to blow it.  He actually never threw hard but used have better control and more movement.  

 

[Tiger337]

1 hour ago, NorthWoods said:

And replace them with 4A pitchers, improvement.

I feel like the only things that Finnegan and Jansen offer now are veteran closer experience which may have some importance if you're actually good, but does nothing when you are not.  

Edited 17 hours ago by Tiger337

[Motor City Sonics]

38 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

What would you try?  

Anything

[theroundsquare]

4 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Anything

this is kind of where i am too.  i don't know what will work.  but i know what isn't working

[Motor City Sonics]

1 minute ago, theroundsquare said:

this is kind of where i am too.  i don't know what will work.  but i know what isn't working

Throw enough s*it on the all and see if anything sticks.   I mean, it already stinks anyway. 

[monkeytargets39]

1 hour ago, Tiger337 said:

What would you try?  

The problem is that they are t just going to cut Jansen and/or Finnegan, so it’s moot.

 

IF roster spots open up, I’d be interested in seeing what Jake Miller could do and shifting Holton and Sommers into more high leverage spots.  I wouldn’t hate giving Mattison or Sears a look either since their K/9s are good.  
 

Not that I expect that to be the solution but we need guys in the pen that can get some swing and miss and limit stupid walks and BBs.

 

If we go on another skid and fall back a bit in the standings over the next week or two, then we need to just bench Torres and McKinstry and play all the rookies the rest of the year.

[Motor City Sonics]

33 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said:

The problem is that they are t just going to cut Jansen and/or Finnegan, so it’s moot.

 

IF roster spots open up, I’d be interested in seeing what Jake Miller could do and shifting Holton and Sommers into more high leverage spots.  I wouldn’t hate giving Mattison or Sears a look either since their K/9s are good.  
 

Not that I expect that to be the solution but we need guys in the pen that can get some swing and miss and limit stupid walks and BBs.

 

If we go on another skid and fall back a bit in the standings over the next week or two, then we need to just bench Torres and McKinstry and play all the rookies the rest of the year.

But you have to be careful who you put on the 40.    You don't want to put a young guy on the 40 man roster only for them to sit out for half or most of a season........just to sneak in as a Wild Card and watching your bullpen piss away playoff games?  No thanks.  

[casimir]

4 hours ago, lordstanley said:

Jansen will be lights out today. Game will be over by 3:25. 

I give you credit for your optimism.

[casimir]

4 hours ago, IdahoBert said:

Come on let’s get excited. Maybe we could be perhaps the first sub .500 team to make it to the playoffs. What a great accomplishment whee. What are the betting odds on this possibility?

Nope, I don’t want to see any team make the playoffs with a losing record.

[monkeytargets39]

1 hour ago, Motor City Sonics said:

But you have to be careful who you put on the 40.    You don't want to put a young guy on the 40 man roster only for them to sit out for half or most of a season........just to sneak in as a Wild Card and watching your bullpen piss away playoff games?  No thanks.  

Right.  That’s why this won’t happen

[gehringer_2]

4 hours ago, IdahoBert said:

I’m not down on Scott Harris about any of this.

The fact that he didn’t go to Walmart and purchase some really good relievers nurtured in their hydroponic greenhouses doesn’t bother me.

He had $30M to spend on pitching, he could have gone to Saks.

[Sports_Freak]

13 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

which makes it another accursed one run game.

I was thinking about this. Is there any question how many runs the Pirates would have scored if they needed more? I mean, it was only a 1 run win because the game was over. Our bullpen has totally derailed this season.

[Shelton]

4 hours ago, Sports_Freak said:

I was thinking about this. Is there any question how many runs the Pirates would have scored if they needed more? I mean, it was only a 1 run win because the game was over. Our bullpen has totally derailed this season.

Were you actually thinking about this? 
 

I don’t think there was a question about this because people don’t think about this. That said, there were two outs, so the answer is most likely “zero”.

[Sports_Freak]

14 minutes ago, Shelton said:

Were you actually thinking about this? 
 

I don’t think there was a question about this because people don’t think about this. That said, there were two outs, so the answer is most likely “zero”.

Most likely...ok. But no way to prove Jansen wouldnt have given up multiple more runs, as many as Pittsburgh needed.

Meanwhile....watching the end of the Giants/Guardians game. A pitcher by the name of Dylan Smith closed out a 1-0 win by throwing a 2 inning save. 5 strikeouts!! Too bad he wasn't good enough for Detroit. Somebody soiled the bed on that player evaluation.

Edited 1 hour ago by Sports_Freak

[Tiger337]

29 minutes ago, Shelton said:

Were you actually thinking about this? 
 

 

Do you really want to get into Sports Freak's mind.  😀

[lordstanley]

14 hours ago, casimir said:

I give you credit for your optimism.

Did I ever tell you about this girl I used to hang around with when we were kids? Name was Lucy. Always offered to help me when I was practicing placekicking. 

[Tenacious D]

1 hour ago, Sports_Freak said:

Most likely...ok. But no way to prove Jansen wouldnt have given up multiple more runs, as many as Pittsburgh needed.

Meanwhile....watching the end of the Giants/Guardians game. A pitcher by the name of Dylan Smith closed out a 1-0 win by throwing a 2 inning save. 5 strikeouts!! Too bad he wasn't good enough for Detroit. Somebody soiled the bed on that player evaluation.

There are many examples of players who we’ve given up on that have improved upon joining other organizations.  We give our new administration a lot of credit for player evaluation and development, but I’m not sure that an accurate assessment.