romad1 Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 The lady can dance and she's very smart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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romad1 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 45 minutes ago, chasfh said: for all the "when will they overthrow Putin?" hot takes and suppositions that people make. Just remember Saddam Hussein was in power for a decade+ after having his ass kicked by the US in Desert Storm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 47 minutes ago, chasfh said: you keep what you kill? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, romad1 said: for all the "when will they overthrow Putin?" hot takes and suppositions that people make. Just remember Saddam Hussein was in power for a decade+ after having his ass kicked by the US in Desert Storm. True enough - though differences also. The Sunni power structure in Iraq knew that once Saddam fell they were never going to get power back again - beyond Saddam they had no prospects - the future was civil-war and/or an inevitable Shia take-over since the Americans would eventually force an election the Sunni couldn't win if they removed Saddam. "Reformed" government by the Sunni wasn't possible in Iraq as the only 'reform' the Shia cared about was gaining control. What is so striking in Russia is the degree to which Putin is destroying all the vestiges of civil society that could reasonably function once his bullet finds him. It's going to be like Libya isn't it? Edited September 15, 2022 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 lets hope they don't get along Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted September 15, 2022 Author Share Posted September 15, 2022 10 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: True enough - though differences also. The Sunni power structure in Iraq knew that once Saddam fell they were never going to get power back again - beyond Saddam they had no prospects - the future was civil-war and/or an inevitable Shia take-over since the Americans would eventually force an election the Sunni couldn't win if they removed Saddam. "Reformed" government by the Sunni wasn't possible in Iraq as the only 'reform' the Shia cared about was gaining control. What is so striking in Russia is the degree to which Putin is destroying all the vestiges of civil society that could reasonably function once his bullet finds him. It's going to be like Libya isn't it? I think one difference is that the US and Europe would probably be willing to help Russia get on its feet democratically, given their strategic location in Europe—something US/Europe wouldn’t spend as much time on for Libya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted September 15, 2022 Author Share Posted September 15, 2022 30 minutes ago, romad1 said: lets hope they don't get along I can’t imagine Putin playing the supplicant role, so I think your hope is well-founded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 16 minutes ago, chasfh said: I think one difference is that the US and Europe would probably be willing to help Russia get on its feet democratically, given their strategic location in Europe—something US/Europe wouldn’t spend as much time on for Libya. True. Of course the question is can the West do any better job than the 'help' offered after the Soviet Union fell apart? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted September 15, 2022 Author Share Posted September 15, 2022 (edited) 25 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: True. Of course the question is can the West do any better job than the 'help' offered after the Soviet Union fell apart? As long as it’s uncoordinated and beholden to private enterprise actually doing the legwork, probably not. Edited September 15, 2022 by chasfh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 23 minutes ago, chasfh said: As long as it’s uncoordinated and beholden to private enterprise actually doing the legwork, probably not. The huge problem with the last 20-30 years since 1989 has been the slobbering adherence within political right to the comfort of the notion that capitalism = democracy. That definitely went on for too long wrt China. Made all the more clear as a problem by Xi's reembrace of central control of his State Owned Enterprises. With Russia, too much money crossed too many hands in the West. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 I get the rationale that the US doesn't want to supply things like ATACMS to Ulraine, but they are going to need to supply better anti-missile defense and quickly because at this point the Russians appear to be committed to doing as much domestic mayhem in Ulraine as they can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 26 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: I get the rationale that the US doesn't want to supply things like ATACMS to Ulraine, but they are going to need to supply better anti-missile defense and quickly because at this point the Russians appear to be committed to doing as much domestic mayhem in Ulraine as they can. Russia is spending a lot of theater weapons to kill some civilians Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 7 minutes ago, romad1 said: Russia is spending a lot of theater weapons to kill some civilians it would be better if they spent the weapons and didn't kill the civilians! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gehringer_2 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 8 hours ago, romad1 said: lets hope they don't get along Putie's body language in the video looks like a 5th grader trying to explain why he doesn't have his assignments done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: Putie's body language in the video looks like a 5th grader trying to explain why he doesn't have his assignments done. My immediate thought is that Xi is Hitler to Putin's Mussolini. XI is closer to Stalin than Hitler though. If he survives October that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted September 15, 2022 Author Share Posted September 15, 2022 21 minutes ago, romad1 said: My immediate thought is that Xi is Hitler to Putin's Mussolini. XI is closer to Stalin than Hitler though. If he survives October that is. If Xi survives October? What do you know about what's going to happen with Xi in October? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, chasfh said: If Xi survives October? What do you know about what's going to happen with Xi in October? My man. Xi has a big CCP congress meeting or Party for the Party if you will, in October. Basically its the trope of all those situation comedies when the wife has to prepare a flawless meal when the boss or bank manager is coming to dinner. Except in this case, Xi is probably dealing with a stacked deck and could have any individual complaining about his leadership sent to a reeducation camp. Edited September 15, 2022 by romad1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 1 minute ago, romad1 said: My man. Xi has a big CCP congress meeting or Party for the Party if you will, in October. Basically its the trope of all those situation comedies when the wife has to prepare a flawless meal when the boss or bank manager is coming to dinner. Except in this case, Xi is probably dealing with a stacked deck and could have any individual complaining about his leadership sent to a reeducation camp. 12 months ago I don't think anyone would have even given odds against Xi's reappointment, but it hasn't been a good year for him. Not that you'd still get many takers on those odds, but whatever they are, they have to be worse than they were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: 12 months ago I don't think anyone would have even given odds against Xi's reappointment, but it hasn't been a good year for him. Not that you'd still get many takers on those odds, but whatever they are, they have to be worse than they were. I think in this case they were just trying to fish in the punters to get them to lay odds. But if Xi is dumped...fwew! I can think of a few bad outcomes but a lot of good ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 I want Peacekeepers in Ukraine ASAP. 20-ish K Polish troops. 10-ish K German, Slovaki & Romanian troops. 10-ish K UK & Norwegian troops. 15-ish K US troops. Time to tell Putin to F Off. In a not so unsubtle way. Escalation is no longer an option for Putin. Force a de-escalation. And bring in the missile defenses to cut down or force the de-escalation of Russia's missile attacks. But that's just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 14 minutes ago, romad1 said: I think in this case they were just trying to fish in the punters to get them to lay odds. But if Xi is dumped...fwew! I can think of a few bad outcomes but a lot of good ones. There is ZERO possibility of Xi getting dumped. Where is this fever dream coming from? Because it certainly isn't based on any reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 1 hour ago, 1984Echoes said: There is ZERO possibility of Xi getting dumped. Where is this fever dream coming from? Because it certainly isn't based on any reality. It’s like asking if Putin was going to win the recent elections. They technically had elections. It looked like democracy but wasn’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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