mtutiger Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 It really should go without saying that everyone who is a Tigers fan hates the situation they are in and wants to be out of it. But for whatever reason, not flying off the handle every time a free agent is signed by a team not named the Detroit Tigers gets perceived as not caring. The reality is that people can want the situation to end while disagreeing with the best way for it to end. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 I am just tired of us not even being mentioned on any actual major league players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddwert Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Motor City Sonics said: Okay. lets hope that in 2022 we had the worst hitting coaches that ever lived, but our manager backed them all the way, and that is disturbing. So maybe they found great hitting coaches who can return guys to career average, but we still really don't have much of a hitting roster and I know the pitching will be dicey while we wait for everyone to recover from injuries (literally everyone at one point), but they need to inject something more than hoping guys bounce back. Avila left them in a bind, for sure, because the only tradeable prospects are pitchers and with our MASH-unit rotation we need every single pitching prospect. I don't think it's out of the question to expect that Flores, Kirby, Bergner and Madden all end up getting multiple starts this year. We need a couple bats, just be be a 70-win team next year. yes exactly we are hoping that all these bats rebound to where they were in 2021 ignoring that they just might have played above thier heads in 2021 maybe because pitching was worst because of the weird covid season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddwert Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, mtutiger said: It really should go without saying that everyone who is a Tigers fan hates the situation they are in and wants to be out of it. But for whatever reason, not flying off the handle every time a free agent is signed by a team not named the Detroit Tigers gets perceived as not caring. The reality is that people can want the situation to end while disagreeing with the best way for it to end. no one says to fly off the handle maybe voice some concern Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4hzglory Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 19 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said: Who replaces Castro. Andy Ibanez? Wow. exciting. Oh, the recongizing the strike zone thing.... Harold Castro had a better OBP than Ibanez. Just in regards to this, there is still a chance Harold Castro ends up replacing Harold Castro. I hope not, but he isn't signed yet. Same with Willie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4hzglory Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, Toddwert said: no one says to fly off the handle maybe voice some concern Because it really makes a difference if any of us voice any some concern we have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, Toddwert said: no one says to fly off the handle maybe voice some concern Why would I voice concern over not signing players I never expected them to sign? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddwert Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, mtutiger said: Why would I voice concern over not signing players I never expected them to sign? so why watch a team you have no hope in this season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermojo Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 We're all getting coal for Christmas..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddwert Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Tigermojo said: We're all getting coal for Christmas..... for the 7th year in a row Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Toddwert said: for the 7th year in a row 8th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 Cohen seems to be the advocate the players association needed. FYI, Cohen's purchase was only approved 25-4 (needed 22) According to SNY's Andy Martino, those four owners who opposed Cohen's ownership were Jerry Reinsdorf of the Chicago White Sox (who had been previously publicized as being against Cohen's ownership); Arte Moreno of the Los Angeles Angels; Bob Castellini of the Cincinnati Reds; and Ken Kendrick of the Arizona Diamondbacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddwert Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 1 minute ago, RatkoVarda said: Cohen seems to be the advocate the players association needed. FYI, Cohen's purchase was only approved 25-4 (needed 22) According to SNY's Andy Martino, those four owners who opposed Cohen's ownership were Jerry Reinsdorf of the Chicago White Sox (who had been previously publicized as being against Cohen's ownership); Arte Moreno of the Los Angeles Angels; Bob Castellini of the Cincinnati Reds; and Ken Kendrick of the Arizona Diamondbacks. just wait til this league is full of hedge fund guys like the NBA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, Toddwert said: so why watch a team you have no hope in this season? Baseball is my sport and the Tigers are my team. And I'm not quitting them and jumping on someone else's bandwagon. Beside that, I am interested in longer term progression of this team and it's young players. And I am interested to see what impact the new PBO has on the team going forward. I understand the angst that everyone has about where they are at and frankly share it. But the new PBO deserves more than three months before throwing him to the wolves. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4hzglory Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, Toddwert said: so why watch a team you have no hope in this season? Why do you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddwert Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 Just now, 4hzglory said: Why do you? Ive stopped going to games for the last 5 years .... pretty much watch the games because i love sports and there isnt anything on during the summer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddwert Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, mtutiger said: Baseball is my sport and the Tigers are my team. And I'm not quitting them and jumping on someone else's bandwagon. Beside that, I am interested in longer term progression of this team and it's young players. And I am interested to see what impact the new PBO has on the team going forward. I understand the angst that everyone has about where they are at and frankly share it. But the new PBO deserves more than three months before throwing him to the wolves. Im not saying hes not a huge improvement ...... but you can also throw a bone to some of us who watch the team day after day, right now I see a team on paper worse then last year and yeah i know its only december blah blah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 It seems when a team can't produce home grown talent and has issues keeping players healthy and botching rehabs and the first thing the new guy does is overhaul the amateur scouting department and training staff, it's hard to say nothing has been done. 7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Toddwert said: Im not saying hes not a huge improvement ...... but you can also throw a bone to some of us who watch the team day after day, right now I see a team on paper worse then last year and yeah i know its only december blah blah I watched almost every game last year. I dont know if they will be better or worse next year. Probably better if I had to guess, because (a) the offseason isn't over yet and (b) I expect some mix of improvement from younger players and underperforming players to progress closer to their career means. Edited December 21, 2022 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4hzglory Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 4 minutes ago, Toddwert said: Ive stopped going to games for the last 5 years .... pretty much watch the games because i love sports and there isnt anything on during the summer If you are not going to game, just watching on TV and are so upset you aren't willing to give the new FO even the who offseason before writing them off for not picking up free agents they weren't after anyway, why don't you root for the Mets or another team that is doing what you want? I totally get the frustration of the past seasons, but we never realistically were going to sign the vast majority of the players who are off the market, nor should we have. There are many ways to build the team and we are roughly 1 month into the offseason. I doubt many of the players Harris has targeted are now unavailable. And saying Illitch doesn't care is absurd also IMO as last offseason he was more than willing to spend when it looked like a SS, a starter, and a LF could take the team from 77 wins to playoff contention. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddwert Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 1 minute ago, 4hzglory said: If you are not going to game, just watching on TV and are so upset you aren't willing to give the new FO even the who offseason before writing them off for not picking up free agents they weren't after anyway, why don't you root for the Mets or another team that is doing what you want? I totally get the frustration of the past seasons, but we never realistically were going to sign the vast majority of the players who are off the market, nor should we have. There are many ways to build the team and we are roughly 1 month into the offseason. I doubt many of the players Harris has targeted are now unavailable. And saying Illitch doesn't care is absurd also IMO as last offseason he was more than willing to spend when it looked like a SS, a starter, and a LF could take the team from 77 wins to playoff contention. Im not writing them off i want them to get better .... you guys are the ones who say its already a lost season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4hzglory Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 6 minutes ago, Toddwert said: Im not saying hes not a huge improvement ...... but you can also throw a bone to some of us who watch the team day after day, right now I see a team on paper worse then last year and yeah i know its only december blah blah They did throw a few - Boyd, Lorenzen, and Malloy, plus like Edman said, all of the behind the scenes coaching staff, development, scouting, and training. But I know, those aren't enough because they didn't offer arbitration to Candelario, the Castros, and Reyes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddwert Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, Edman85 said: It seems when a team can't produce home grown talent and has issues keeping players healthy and botching rehabs and the first thing the new guy does is overhaul the amateur scouting department and training staff, it's hard to say nothing has been done. we've also been told for years that they were adding more and more analytic staff and making more modern changes to other area Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 17 minutes ago, Toddwert said: just wait til this league is full of hedge fund guys like the NBA Sam Bankman-Fried is looking to buy a............oh wait a minute.............never mind. Larry David was right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Toddwert said: Im not writing them off i want them to get better .... you guys are the ones who say its already a lost season I dont know if it's a lost season or not.... they play in the worst division in the sport after all, so may be there is a tail risk they can win it if a lot of things go right. The point I'm continually trying to make here is that if it doesn't end up a lost season and they start to progress toward or even past .500, it's largely gonna be because of improvements on the roster as it already exists. It wouldn't because of individual free agent signings, and certainly not someone on the level of Brandon Drury Edited December 21, 2022 by mtutiger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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