Deleterious Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 39 minutes ago, Shinzaki said: I'm not sure why the Pistons haven't had him there for an extended period. In hockey, teams are much more willing to use the minors as a developmental tool. The Wings have Simon Edvinsson, a very promising defenseman who's good enough to play in the NHL right now, but he wouldn't get the minutes that he will in the AHL...and in the AHL he'll be on the PP and PK and on a top pair defensively. Why not send Hayes to the G league to work on his overall game for 30-35 minutes a night? There needs to be massive structural changes to NBA rosters to allow teams to develop young players. I do not know anything about the NHL. But I imagine when the Wings send a kid to the minors they can replace him on the big clubs roster. You can't do that in the NBA. You get 15 roster spots (Plus two 2-way contracts) and that is it. So you have two guys out with injuries in Burks and Bagley, now a third with Duren. You are down to 12 healthy guys on the big roster. With a 9 or 10 man rotation you can't really lose Hayes to the Cruze and only have 11 healthy bodies for the Pistons. They need to expand the rosters to 25 players. 15 on the big team and 10 in the G-League that you can call up as needed. 3 guys get hurt you put them on some sort of IR list where they are out a minimum of 10 (or whatever) days and you can call up 3 G-League guys to replace them. I don't know if that is the perfect fix but something like that needs to be done. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaki Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 NHL teams can carry 50 contracts spread across the NHL and minor leagues...baseball has the 40 man roster. I like the idea of a 25 man NBA roster. With streaming services starving for content (Amazon just signed Overtime Elite to a rights deal) a competitive G league could be marketable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 Don't know about NHL or the NBA but in the MLB another incentive to keep guys down in the minors is that you can keep them down there for a couple years before calling them up and still maintain the full 6 years of control you would have just as you would if they got called up day 1. Not sure if it's like that in the NBA or not but if it isn't that could be another deterent for teams in regards to sending them down, they want to maximize the time they have them under rookie deals and if they are going to spend half that time in the g league that isn't going to be the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 14 hours ago, Hart said: For the most part, teams are not looking for primarily defensive players for their backup guards. He needs to be at least average on offense. A defensive PG is usually a 3rd PG... a specialist. A primary backup PG absolutely has to be able to run the offense, and that includes being enough of a threat himself in order not to be a zero or non-factor and cause dysfunctionality of the offense he's trying to run... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleterious Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 17 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said: Don't know about NHL or the NBA but in the MLB another incentive to keep guys down in the minors is that you can keep them down there for a couple years before calling them up and still maintain the full 6 years of control you would have just as you would if they got called up day 1. Not sure if it's like that in the NBA or not but if it isn't that could be another deterent for teams in regards to sending them down, they want to maximize the time they have them under rookie deals and if they are going to spend half that time in the g league that isn't going to be the case. That is another problem. The Pistons only control the 15 guys on the NBA roster and the two guys on a 2-way contract. Anyone else on the Cruise currently can be signed to any other team in the league as long as it is an NBA contract. And G-League contracts are only a year long. So at the end of the season the roster goes poof and next year they redraft the entire roster. They need some mechanism that allows them to draft a kid and develop him in the G-League for a couple of years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 every league should go the draft and develop route of the nhl. draft them in high school amd send them to college or the g league or a glorified aau team. they get paid, but they can develop amongst their peers rather than with hardened pros who are trying to keep their jobs. it might actually relieve some of the pressure to tank too if you can draft these kids at 16 or 17 and stash them for a while rather than at 18 and have to play them immediately. maybe. probably not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 not to go off on a tangent, but at the end of the day the only thing that stops tanking is to get rid of the draft or put in a relegation system. create actual punishments for losing. neither of which will ever happen because the draft does have its uses in distributing talent to bad teams and is an event now, and relegation is bad for the owners and they will never ever agree to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boogiebunz Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 I got an idea to stop tanking. Don’t know if it makes sense or is feasible. The two teams with the worst records after the all star break cannot get a top 3 pick regardless of what their total season record is. The best they can do is the #4 pick. Thats it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 1 hour ago, boogiebunz said: I got an idea to stop tanking. Don’t know if it makes sense or is feasible. The two teams with the worst records after the all star break cannot get a top 3 pick regardless of what their total season record is. The best they can do is the #4 pick. Thats it. why stop at the all star break? you could do it for the whole season. or make it that the two worst records automatically pick 3 and 4 and make the two lowest level play in teams get lottery balls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boogiebunz Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 I think because most of the egregious tanking happens in the final month or so of the season. And sometimes there might be a couple of teams whose records are already so bad by the all star break that the other bad teams can't catch them and so they can still tank without worrying about being a bottom two team. Making it after the all star break with the final 25-30 or so games, teams that are bad but aren't really, really bad can't tank without fear of being a bottom two. And the couple teams who were already the very worst in the league can get out of the bottom two in the final stretch of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleterious Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 Why not take all the teams that miss the playoffs and give them an equally weighted shot at 1-5. Then 6-30 drafts by their record. Nothing is perfect but that takes away the incentive to lose 60-65 games a year like some teams blatantly try to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 cause everyone will tank to make sure they are in the bottom five. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleterious Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 3 hours ago, buddha said: cause everyone will tank to make sure they are in the bottom five. Nah, nobody is missing the playoffs for a 6% chance at #1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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