Media Meltdown and also Media Bias 101

[mtutiger]

41 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Complete and utter lie. This is the National Guard enforcing curfew during the George Floyd protests. It has nothing to do with COVID. It has been fact checked numerous times. 

He posts these lies yet repeatedly ignores every single time it is pointed out that the FCC Chairman clearly used the power of the state to repress speech that the administration doesn't like.

And people wonder why it's pointless to engage 

[CMRivdogs]

44 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Complete and utter lie. This is the National Guard enforcing curfew during the George Floyd protests. It has nothing to do with COVID. It has been fact checked numerous times. 

Facts don't matter to megatrolls

[pfife]

Coulda spent that time honoring Charlie, instead chose to take another L posting misinfo about Democrats.    Disgusting behavior 

[pfife]

6 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

He posts these lies yet repeatedly ignores every single time it is pointed out that the FCC Chairman clearly used the power of the state to repress speech that the administration doesn't like.

And people wonder why it's pointless to engage 

Even cancun raffy knows that happened

[Tigermojo]

I'm surprised he has time for anything besides searching the word transgender online.

[mtutiger]

1 hour ago, mtutiger said:

That's incredible 

Their demands to Jimmy Kimmel look a lot more toothless after this. Generally wonder what changed

[Tigeraholic1]

1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said:

Complete and utter lie. This is the National Guard enforcing curfew during the George Floyd protests. It has nothing to do with COVID. It has been fact checked numerous times. 

Sorry, wrong leftist activism response.Funny how the right never respond with riots and what not. 

[Motown Bombers]

10 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Sorry, wrong leftist activism response.Funny how the right never respond with riots and what not. 

[Motown Bombers]

BTW, it was a right wing group who burned down the police station in Minneapolis. You're terrible at this. 

[CMRivdogs]

45 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Their demands to Jimmy Kimmel look a lot more toothless after this. Generally wonder what changed

Judging from the timing that I saw of the tv screen message it looks like it could have a problem with the feed. 

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“Tonight, Sinclair will continue to air ABC network programming as scheduled in the late-night time period,” the Sinclair spokesperson said. “The Charlie Kirk special will instead be available on The National News Desk’s YouTube channel, ensuring viewers can continue to enjoy ABC programming while also providing full access to the special online.”

Interesting that they could get it on their YouTube channel but not over the air. This deserves an explanation. 
 

[mtutiger]

1 minute ago, CMRivdogs said:

Judging from the timing that I saw of the tv screen message it looks like it could have a problem with the feed. 

Interesting that they could get it on their YouTube channel but not over the air. This deserves an explanation. 
 

People want to avoid the conclusion out of false hope, but do need to consider the possibility that they may be getting heat (ie. advertisers, employees, perhaps even ABC)

[Tigerbomb13]

43 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Sorry, wrong leftist activism response.Funny how the right never respond with riots and what not. 

 

[mtutiger]

15 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

People want to avoid the conclusion out of false hope, but do need to consider the possibility that they may be getting heat (ie. advertisers, employees, perhaps even ABC)

On this front, ever since this controversy has started, have kinda found it bizarre the idea that Sinclair or Nexstar would have *that* much leverage over Disney (ABC's parent company). Particularly Sinclair, who isn't even party to a merger at the moment

These companies own assets (over the air stations) whose time and importance have peaked, and the value that Disney has in terms of it's media empire is wrapped up in ESPN and it's sports holdings over anything else.

People tune into ABC-affiliated Sinclair stations for ABC's programming... They don't tune in simply because they are owned by Sinclair. Sinclair can threaten Jimmy Kimmel and ABC all they want, but what are they gonna do when they don't get their way... pull college football off the airways? What's the endgame exactly?

Edited September 20 by mtutiger

[CMRivdogs]

8 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

On this front, ever since this controversy has started, have kinda found it bizarre the idea that Sinclair or Nexstar would have *that* much leverage over Disney (ABC's parent company). Particularly Sinclair, who isn't even party to a merger at the moment

These companies own assets (over the air stations) whose time and importance have peaked, and the value that Disney has in terms of it's media empire is wrapped up in ESPN and it's sports holdings over anything else.

People tune into ABC-affiliated Sinclair stations for ABC's programming... They don't tune in simply because they are owned by Sinclair. Sinclair can threaten Jimmy Kimmel and ABC all they want, but what are they gonna do when they don't get their way... pull college football off the airways? What's the endgame exactly?

A quick Google check shows that of the 294 stations Sinclair owns or has a marketing agreement, only 38 are ABC affiliates. Nextar btw owns about 200 stations 23 are ABC affiliates. 
I think ABC has the power of the purse strings if and when it comes time to renegotiate affiliation agreements

[chasfh]

57 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

BTW, it was a right wing group who burned down the police station in Minneapolis. You're terrible at this. 

At least when Patel trolls Congress with ignorant lying horse****, he's doing it for an audience of one who directly recognizes and appreciates his efforts. I don't know what anyone trolling here is trying to accomplish. Endorphin rush? That's the only reasonable explanation I can come up with.

[LaceyLou]

I remember being told that Boston was being burned to the ground by protesters/rioters in 2020. This came as quite a shock to me, since I live in downtown Boston and as far as I can tell that never happened.

[chasfh]

40 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

Judging from the timing that I saw of the tv screen message it looks like it could have a problem with the feed. 

Interesting that they could get it on their YouTube channel but not over the air. This deserves an explanation. 
 

Here's the explanation:

The point was never for Sinclair to actually run the special during a salable daypart on their valuable, irreplaceable air. The point was to announce they would run the special so they could win MAGA credits for it. Credits will not be deducted for not actually airing it—all anyone in MAGA world cares about is that Sinclair announced to the rest of the world that they would run the special which, to everyone in MAGA world, is just as good as actually running it. The main thing needed from Sinclair was the appearance of bending the knee to the regime, which satisfies the regime's ego, and also, effectively maintains a favorable business environment for Sinclair.

In that light, mission accomplished, one hundred percent.

[mtutiger]

17 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Here's the explanation:

The point was never for Sinclair to actually run the special during a salable daypart on their valuable, irreplaceable air. The point was to announce they would run the special so they could win MAGA credits for it. Credits will not be deducted for not actually airing it—all anyone in MAGA world cares about is that Sinclair announced to the rest of the world that they would run the special which, to everyone in MAGA world, is just as good as actually running it. The main thing needed from Sinclair was the appearance of bending the knee to the regime, which satisfies the regime's ego, and also, effectively maintains a favorable business environment for Sinclair.

In that light, mission accomplished, one hundred percent.

But why wouldn't they just run it anyway?

[chasfh]

11 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

But why wouldn't they just run it anyway?

Because they can’t make any money on it. But they can make money on celebrity family feud reruns.

[mtutiger]

5 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Because they can’t make any money on it. But they can make money on celebrity family feud reruns.

This would imply that pressure exerted on the advertisers was the reason they pulled it

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, mtutiger said:

This would imply that pressure exerted on the advertisers was the reason they pulled it

Sorry, Luke, I'm going to have to throw my professional experience trump card on this hand. Most of my career entailed working in media planning in ad agencies for clients who ran primarily on TV. I had close professional contacts with TV stations and networks for the better part of a couple of decades. I promise you they spent almost no time debating whether to run a Charlie Kirk tribute on their air versus actual revenue-generating programing. We can fairly debate whether we think they made that decision to not run the Kirk thing on its air even before announcing they would do so—I personally think they did—but there is no debate about who pressured the network to end the Kimmel show, and you obviously know who that was.

As for the advertisers, they usually don't care so much about losing ad time in this specific show or daypart on such and such a specific date, as long as they get generous makegoods that run within their planning window to achieve the point goals of their overall buy with the network.

CMRivdogs knows what I'm talking about.

[CMRivdogs]

https://www.nytimes.com/1939/02/04/archives/goebbels-ends-careers-of-five-aryan-actors-who-made-witticisms.html?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
 

H/T to Charlie Sykes

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BERLIN, Feb. 3.—Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels today ended the professional careers of five "Aryan" actors and cabaret announcers by expelling them from the Reich's Chamber of Culture on the grounds that “in their public appearances they displayed a lack of any positive attitude toward National Socialism and therewith caused grave annoyance in public and especially to party comrades.” The five include perhaps the best known German stage comedians who survived previous Chamber of Culture purges and still dared to indulge in political witticisms—namely, Werner Finck, Peter Sachse and “The Three Rulands,” represented by Helmuth Buth, Wilhelm Meissner and Manfred Dlugi. Their expulsion means that they are henceforth forbidden to appear before the public in Germany.

Besides motivating this action in an official communiqué, Dr. Goebbels also publishes a long article in the Voelkischer Beobachter in which he denounces them as “brazen, impertinent, arrogant and tactless" and generally imitators and successors to Jews. Simultaneously he denounces the "society rabble that followed them with thundering applause—parasitic scum, inhabiting our luxury streets, that seems to have only the task of proving with how little brains people can get along and even acquire money and prominence."

As regards the details of the "crimes" of which the five are accused, Dr. Goebbels mentions that they made political witticisms about the colonial problem, the Four-Year Plan and Chancellor Hitler's monumental building program and one of them even raised the question of whether there was any humor left in Germany today.

What amused the public most, however, and presumably roiled the National Socialist authorities most—although Dr. Goebbels does not mention it—is that they deftly, but unmistakably, caricatured some gestures, poses and physical characteristics of National Socialist leaders—sometimes with bon mots that made the rounds of the country.

 

[romad1]

That is a powerful voice.  I'm personally giving Disney 1 week to apologize to Kimmel and put him back on the air before I drop Disney+ which would hurt my mentally disabled brother most of all.  

Edited September 22 by romad1

[romad1]

and I wish they would follow their own Emmy award winning character's speech

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, romad1 said:

and I wish they would follow their own Emmy award winning character's speech

The only issue I take here is that it's not the monster that screams most loudly that is the biggest risk. It's always been the smooth serpent that whispers the lies we already wished were true. The craven ones that offer the easy, comfortable solutions that have us skipping down the road to perdition.