Media Meltdown and also Media Bias 101

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, mtutiger said:

This would imply that pressure exerted on the advertisers was the reason they pulled it

Sorry, Luke, I'm going to have to throw my professional experience trump card on this hand. Most of my career entailed working in media planning in ad agencies for clients who ran primarily on TV. I had close professional contacts with TV stations and networks for the better part of a couple of decades. I promise you they spent almost no time debating whether to run a Charlie Kirk tribute on their air versus actual revenue-generating programing. We can fairly debate whether we think they made that decision to not run the Kirk thing on its air even before announcing they would do so—I personally think they did—but there is no debate about who pressured the network to end the Kimmel show, and you obviously know who that was.

As for the advertisers, they usually don't care so much about losing ad time in this specific show or daypart on such and such a specific date, as long as they get generous makegoods that run within their planning window to achieve the point goals of their overall buy with the network.

CMRivdogs knows what I'm talking about.

[CMRivdogs]

https://www.nytimes.com/1939/02/04/archives/goebbels-ends-careers-of-five-aryan-actors-who-made-witticisms.html?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
 

H/T to Charlie Sykes

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BERLIN, Feb. 3.—Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels today ended the professional careers of five "Aryan" actors and cabaret announcers by expelling them from the Reich's Chamber of Culture on the grounds that “in their public appearances they displayed a lack of any positive attitude toward National Socialism and therewith caused grave annoyance in public and especially to party comrades.” The five include perhaps the best known German stage comedians who survived previous Chamber of Culture purges and still dared to indulge in political witticisms—namely, Werner Finck, Peter Sachse and “The Three Rulands,” represented by Helmuth Buth, Wilhelm Meissner and Manfred Dlugi. Their expulsion means that they are henceforth forbidden to appear before the public in Germany.

Besides motivating this action in an official communiqué, Dr. Goebbels also publishes a long article in the Voelkischer Beobachter in which he denounces them as “brazen, impertinent, arrogant and tactless" and generally imitators and successors to Jews. Simultaneously he denounces the "society rabble that followed them with thundering applause—parasitic scum, inhabiting our luxury streets, that seems to have only the task of proving with how little brains people can get along and even acquire money and prominence."

As regards the details of the "crimes" of which the five are accused, Dr. Goebbels mentions that they made political witticisms about the colonial problem, the Four-Year Plan and Chancellor Hitler's monumental building program and one of them even raised the question of whether there was any humor left in Germany today.

What amused the public most, however, and presumably roiled the National Socialist authorities most—although Dr. Goebbels does not mention it—is that they deftly, but unmistakably, caricatured some gestures, poses and physical characteristics of National Socialist leaders—sometimes with bon mots that made the rounds of the country.

 

[romad1]

That is a powerful voice.  I'm personally giving Disney 1 week to apologize to Kimmel and put him back on the air before I drop Disney+ which would hurt my mentally disabled brother most of all.  

Edited Monday at 01:47 PM by romad1

[romad1]

and I wish they would follow their own Emmy award winning character's speech

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, romad1 said:

and I wish they would follow their own Emmy award winning character's speech

The only issue I take here is that it's not the monster that screams most loudly that is the biggest risk. It's always been the smooth serpent that whispers the lies we already wished were true. The craven ones that offer the easy, comfortable solutions that have us skipping down the road to perdition.

 

[romad1]

we shall see

 

[romad1]

I hope and believe "Media Reform" could be like the Teddy Roosevelt;s "trust busters" as a political movement in the next cycle.   Problem is that media control is aggregating faster than it can be reformed. 

[CMRivdogs]

6 minutes ago, romad1 said:

I hope and believe "Media Reform" could be like the Teddy Roosevelt;s "trust busters" as a political movement in the next cycle.   Problem is that media control is aggregating faster than it can be reformed. 

The slow slide that started with lowering ownership restrictions with Reagan/Clinton seems to have turned into an avalanche. 
Back then no one could have foreseen what's been happening in recent years with things like streaming and such.

Meanwhile while local cable restrictions have been lifted, governments seem content with monopolies in many markets. The promotion of companies like Verizon and T-Mobile for 5G for instance are basically a farce if you have multiple devices.

I'm really not sure what real reform would look like these days

[romad1]

9 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

The slow slide that started with lowering ownership restrictions with Reagan/Clinton seems to have turned into an avalanche. 
Back then no one could have foreseen what's been happening in recent years with things like streaming and such.

Meanwhile while local cable restrictions have been lifted, governments seem content with monopolies in many markets. The promotion of companies like Verizon and T-Mobile for 5G for instance are basically a farce if you have multiple devices.

I'm really not sure what real reform would look like these days

Media Oligarchs seem like they would be a fun target to run against.  Hard to get the message out though, since well you know...they control the media. 

[oblong]

49 minutes ago, romad1 said:

we shall see

 

I would trust them more if the argument was simply "It's wrong" and not the qualifier of "They'll do it to us...."

I say that with regard to Cruz.  I don't know much of what the others have said yet.

[romad1]

co-worker tells me Tulsi broke with Trump over 1st amendment.   She is a weird outlier as it was. 

[CMRivdogs]

27 minutes ago, romad1 said:

Media Oligarchs seem like they would be a fun target to run against.  Hard to get the message out though, since well you know...they control the media. 

They'd never run. Much easier to rent surrogates 

[romad1]

7 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

They'd never run. Much easier to rent surrogates 

Well every campaign is against the opponent on the ballot but also have big theme elections like the Contract with America was in the 90s.   Run against Trumpism and for Media Reform.  Reform has a power to it.  

[Deleterious]

Best thing to do is have the government auction off the licenses and no longer have the FCC regulate those air waves.

[romad1]

17 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

Best thing to do is have the government auction off the licenses and no longer have the FCC regulate those air waves.

For whom? 

[romad1]

Kimmelgate is reaching a point of decision.  ABC knows they f'd up. 

‘Hour to Hour’: Kimmel Crisis Deepens at Disney as Comedy World Erupts

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, romad1 said:

Well every campaign is against the opponent on the ballot but also have big theme elections like the Contract with America was in the 90s.   Run against Trumpism and for Media Reform.  Reform has a power to it.  

The tricky part is that the way the oligarchs and their surrogates have gotten us to hate and distrust the media, it might be he’ll of a job to get people fired up about restoring and preserving it. 

[CMRivdogs]

Having spent time in the business from back to 1970. I just about to the opinion that media companies really don't need the sticks anymore.

Edit

We really need a nationwide initiative to improve and provide internet service for everyone. I think COVID made that clear, especially for rural areas and many inner cities. That's if we were serious about improving educational opportunities for everyone

 

Edited Monday at 06:43 PM by CMRivdogs

[ewsieg]

1 hour ago, romad1 said:

Kimmelgate is reaching a point of decision.  ABC knows they f'd up. 

‘Hour to Hour’: Kimmel Crisis Deepens at Disney as Comedy World Erupts

Even though you may argue ABC made the wrong decision (I agree in this case), it's tough to call this a f up.  If Trump/FCC don't say anything (which they shouldn't, it wasn't an issue the WH needed to be involved in, IMO) then ABC doesn't even have a decision to make which they know will piss off a subset of folks.  No way they wanted to do what they did, but for their shareholders, they can't be fighting the FCC.  

I love the idea of corporations going against their best interest to fight power, its also not really fair to expect them too. 

[VegasTiger]

Kimmel's back tomorrow.

[Tigerbomb13]

Disney realized they ****ed up, bigly

[oblong]

The funny thing is everybody I’ve seen say they should fire him also admit they don’t like him and don’t want watch him.  I record all 3 of them and skim them for guests and music. I typically avoid the monologues and bits. 

[Tigerbomb13]

I’m pretty indifferent towards him. It’s obviously the government pressure to silence opposing views that dangerous (not that most of us here didn’t already know this). 

[LaceyLou]

1 hour ago, CMRivdogs said:

Having spent time in the business from back to 1970. I just about to the opinion that media companies really don't need the sticks anymore.

Edit

We really need a nationwide initiative to improve and provide internet service for everyone. I think COVID made that clear, especially for rural areas and many inner cities. That's if we were serious about improving educational opportunities for everyone

 

This-just like it was the right thing to provide electricity and phone service to people in the country (I'm blanking on the time frame-maybe about 100 years ago?).

[chasfh]

32 minutes ago, oblong said:

The funny thing is everybody I’ve seen say they should fire him also admit they don’t like him and don’t want watch him.  I record all 3 of them and skim them for guests and music. I typically avoid the monologues and bits. 

That's completely backwards from me and my wife. We see the monologues and bits and skip the guests unless we are really interested.