Media Meltdown and also Media Bias 101

[pfife]

Im not sure shes even a journalist.  At least to the extent thats more synonymous with reporting.  Her degree is in history and its not clear shes ever been a reporter.   She has been an editor and a columnist (derogatory)

[chasfh]

12 hours ago, ewsieg said:

Well, journalists/editors have long had ideas of what integrity meant and many have often found ways to convince themselves that they aren't putting their own bias into their stories.  Overall, journalism was much better years ago.  1) There was more money in that field and 2) there wasn't direct competition from clickbait style journalism.  As a result you also had a higher percentage of folks educated in journalism doing the job back then too.

I'm not saying Bari is a good journalist.  I think she's done some good work on articles i've read of hers, but I also think when she gets passionate about something, she focuses too much on the evidence that supports and underlying belief.  That's not unheard of in that industry, but it is what has separated the best from the hacks.  

In the end, not much will change.  When CBS puts out a story that sides with your beliefs, you're going to say 'heck, even the CBS agrees with me.' and when they don't, well of course it's because of Bari destroying the CBS brand in your view.

Let's not pretend that journalistic integrity is some airy-fairy thing subject to strictly personal interpretation. There are well-established ethics in journalism—accuracy and truthfulness; independence; fairness and impartiality; accountability and transparency; duty of care—that are obviously ignored by RWM but, despite the longstanding cynical right-wing campaign to convince us otherwise, have been rigorously followed by the best of the MSM, including AP, Reuters, BBC, AFP, New York Times, CNN, and the letter networks. (Note that I am talking about the news-gathering and investigation sides of these businesses, not their op-ed side.)

I also don't take at face value the allegation that journalism was much better years ago. That sounds like your opinion to me, and I grant that is an opinion widely shared by many. But I do believe that many have come to that opinion not because they objectively tracked changes in the quality of nonpartisan journalism over the years, but because some truthiness outlet hammers that same point over and over, and through frequency of messaging, people simply accept it at face value.

Now CBS is in grave danger of falling by the wayside, and given their new ownership, they may never recover/ The first shot across the bow was the paying off of Trump simply because they did their job; the second was the sale of the network to the Ellisons; and the latest is the placement of a hack as head of the news division with the apparent intention of stripping the journalistic integrity they have remaining.

But, tell you what: since you apparently are convinced that no MSM organization is any better than any RWM outlet, I invite you to keep me apprised of those instances that pop up in which one of the organizations I named engages in what you believe is leftist slanting of the news in their reporting and investigations. I want you to show me what you're talking about so I can consider actual examples, versus entreaties to accept repeated allegations. Just remember, op-eds and truthiness (e.g., NYT op-ed pages; MSNBC panel shows) don't count. Looking forward to hearing from you on this.

[ewsieg]

7 minutes ago, chasfh said:

But, tell you what: since you apparently are convinced that no MSM organization is any better than any RWM outlet, I invite you to keep me apprised of those instances that pop up in which one of the organizations I named engages in what you believe is leftist slanting of the news in their reporting and investigations. 

Whoa now, I just reread everything I posted about Bari and some of the generalities discussed as a part of that and no where can I see where I said anything like this.

All I'm trying to say, and it is only my opinion however I do feel many agree with me, is that a Journalist from 25 years ago had a very defined role, just as an editor, just as a columnist, etc.  Because media has changed so much, and not for the better (IMO again), those roles are often blurred, sometimes even on purpose.  For example, where a person will act as a journalist on a story and later act as a columnist to discuss their own story.   

As for the major MSM orgs, my guess is we would be pretty close on the ones we trust.   As for CBS, I'll watch to see what comes of it, but I already have a distrust for any news organization that is owned by a larger media corporation.  As for Weiss, I have no idea if she'll be good or not.  She wouldn't have been my choice if I were Ellison, but I'd also like to think that if I was Ellison I wouldn't give a **** about what Trump thought of how I was running my company.

[CMRivdogs]

15 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

Whoa now, I just reread everything I posted about Bari and some of the generalities discussed as a part of that and no where can I see where I said anything like this.

All I'm trying to say, and it is only my opinion however I do feel many agree with me, is that a Journalist from 25 years ago had a very defined role, just as an editor, just as a columnist, etc.  Because media has changed so much, and not for the better (IMO again), those roles are often blurred, sometimes even on purpose.  For example, where a person will act as a journalist on a story and later act as a columnist to discuss their own story.   

As for the major MSM orgs, my guess is we would be pretty close on the ones we trust.   As for CBS, I'll watch to see what comes of it, but I already have a distrust for any news organization that is owned by a larger media corporation.  As for Weiss, I have no idea if she'll be good or not.  She wouldn't have been my choice if I were Ellison, but I'd also like to think that if I was Ellison I wouldn't give a **** about what Trump thought of how I was running my company.

I get what you’re talking about to a point but the CBS of today is not the CBS of 50 years ago or even 25. And the Ellisons of today are not the Paleys of the 50s, 60s, and 70s..

Go back and watch Ed Murrow’s RTNDA Speech or look at Clooney’s Good Night and Good News.

Owners then were still concerned about advertising dollars and viewship but there was still the wall between news and editorial content. That wall fell when cable and Fox News came into being. And business owners stopped caring about the public good and more about profit and stock prices

[CMRivdogs]

I love this response. The way he reframes and answers the question. More reps need to do this

 

[Dan Gilmore]

1 hour ago, CMRivdogs said:

I love this response. The way he reframes and answers the question. More reps need to do this

 

Quoting to emphasize this. 👍🏻

[CMRivdogs]

BTW at least the Democrats appear to be in DC. The SOH just extended the Trumpublicans vacation by another week. 
 

If they were serious the SOH would call for a vote

 

[romad1]

36 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

BTW at least the Democrats appear to be in DC. The SOH just extended the Trumpublicans vacation by another week. 
 

If they were serious the SOH would call for a vote

 

So at work, (where the govies are working without paychecks and I'm waiting until my funding runs out in November), they put out an email saying that the government relations people were hopeful that after the Tuesday elections and the pain of SNAP being curtailed there would be some movement...within seconds I got the tweet about Mike Johnson gaily telling congress not to show up next week and then he kissed a man. 

[pfife]

That Neguse video was great.

[romad1]

8 minutes ago, pfife said:

That Neguse video was great.

It really is!

[chasfh]

21 hours ago, ewsieg said:

Whoa now, I just reread everything I posted about Bari and some of the generalities discussed as a part of that and no where can I see where I said anything like this.

All I'm trying to say, and it is only my opinion however I do feel many agree with me, is that a Journalist from 25 years ago had a very defined role, just as an editor, just as a columnist, etc.  Because media has changed so much, and not for the better (IMO again), those roles are often blurred, sometimes even on purpose.  For example, where a person will act as a journalist on a story and later act as a columnist to discuss their own story.   

As for the major MSM orgs, my guess is we would be pretty close on the ones we trust.   As for CBS, I'll watch to see what comes of it, but I already have a distrust for any news organization that is owned by a larger media corporation.  As for Weiss, I have no idea if she'll be good or not.  She wouldn't have been my choice if I were Ellison, but I'd also like to think that if I was Ellison I wouldn't give a **** about what Trump thought of how I was running my company.

Noted. Point being, I don’t buy the idea that journalism is cooked as a concept and the MSM news merely engages in leftist diatribe the same way Fox engages in right wing diatribe. If you find any instances of that, please share it, because I don’t see it. And again, MSNBC and op-eds don’t count.

[CMRivdogs]

Ellison only cares about the bottom line $$$. 

[CMRivdogs]

 

[Motown Bombers]

 

[chasfh]

30 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

 

By the way ...

Assigning the byline to an assistant nobody makes it easy to fire her if any **** hits the fan from this.

[CMRivdogs]

Comedy Central boss Ari Pearce: Stewart's contract extension "is an ongoing commitment to the incisive comedy and sharp commentary that define The Daily Show."

He added, "We're proud to support Jon and the extraordinary news team."

[chasfh]

4 hours ago, CMRivdogs said:

Comedy Central boss Ari Pearce: Stewart's contract extension "is an ongoing commitment to the incisive comedy and sharp commentary that define The Daily Show."

He added, "We're proud to support Jon and the extraordinary news team."

I believe they do promote themselves as "The #1 news team on Comedy Central".

[pfife]

[gehringer_2]

4 minutes ago, pfife said:

Stephens should know, he's had a lot of them.

[mtutiger]

Honestly think there's something to this.... 

[chasfh]

Either that or they are not as "mainstream" as they've appeared to be to this point.

[Tigerbomb13]

 

[pfife]

Mamdani would have won if mike pence had the courage to do whats right

[chasfh]

It’s taking a long time for them to get to the voter fraud part. It’s been, what, a whole day already?

[mtutiger]

21 hours ago, chasfh said:

Either that or they are not as "mainstream" as they've appeared to be to this point.

This is probably a "man bites dog" take, but reducing media intake (particularly social media) over the past few months has made looking at a lot of political coverage coming from NY and DC look really divorced from reality.

Not so much about the left-right politics of it and more just the details they obsess over are often just not what one sees people talking about in real life. At all.

The elections this week reflect this IMO.... they get led around by whatever talking points are hot on the "The Hill" while people in the country are, at the moment, worried about whether SNAP benefits are gonna be funded and whether the local food bank network will be able to cover even a fraction of those affected.