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Trout hit two home runs tonight. His wRC+ is up to 156. For what it's worth, he also leads the Majors in runs scored.

yeah, I now see he was talking abour Rainier. Iorg got some hype from some local writers but was never that highly regarded in serious projections. Most of the hype was about his defense.

not sure if 2022 was talking about McG or Rainer but either way I agree I never remember Collins being treated as that much of a deal. IIRC Iorg did get a fair amount of early hype but it was pretty short lived because he never lived up to any of it. they kept pushing him up the system but he never really had a year that merited a promotion anywhere. Rainer already has a better year last year than Iorg ever had.

Tyler Collins and Cale Iorg are you comps for McGonigle? You're just messing with us now.

you and I don't have to, but if TPTB in the Democratic party leadership are not doing the party building to prep for '28, we're in trouble. Maybe my biggest knock on Obama was exactly that once he had his win, he didn't put much effort into making sure he left the DNC stronger than where he found it.

Certainly think they will need to have a more focused message in a Presidential election, but I'm not sure any of us have a clue what 2028 will be like at this point. Even to the point that because of his age and infirmities, there's a nonzero chance Trump will be around as it's happening. They need to worry about the election before them and do what they need to do to try to win as many races as they can in this cycle. I'm not thinking about 2028 right now

Meanwhile the Leafs wisely blow a 5-3 3rd period lead to lose 6-5 in regulation and have all but locked up a bottom 5 spot. Which means Boston will have to wait until next year to use a 1st rounder from Toronto. The Leafs must not, cannot, win the lottery!

He’s also playing centerfield, not merely doing DH tonight. But the whole thing about a contending team is kind of tragic. He’s sort of like Ernie Banks only injured all the time. And sadly, the Yankees just tied the game 10–10 with a two run homer in the bottom of the ninth. The Yankees have lost five in a row and were on the verge of losing six.

that's why you have to win big enough in the quadrennials to be able to take the 'inevitable' mid-term attrition. 😉

At least when blue dresses and terrorist attacks were involved anyway. It's not the historical norm. The stakes are higher because of Trump, but I stand by what I said. The base case for incumbent parties in our ****ed up system of government is to eat it during the Midterms. Just holding the Senate alone under those circumstances made it a win IMO

not what I'm saying - of course you make it about Trump if people are moving away from Trump and that's going to work for you. That's what I mean about '28 - after anti-trump do you have a story to tell Iowa, Tx, Fla, even Maine - states that should be flippable but that have failed to flip over several cycles, that can win without an unpopular incumbent there to run against?

Neat picture. 5 and 6 were pretty good. 😂

Feel kinda bad for the guy. He never got to play on a contending team.

LOL - so other party's have done better recently. This thread reminds me of the Wings thread. When you are faced with the need to do better - really better, as in better than the other guy, that's the metric that matters. We just had an example this Sunday of what doing better actually looks like. Skin of the teeth margins gained against some of the worse policy and corruption in 125 years should be embarrassing. Wisconsin looks wonderful, but Wisconsin was always going to be in play. Progress will be winning in places where it's actually a surprise.

Mike Trout has scored three runs, hit two home runs, and driven in five runs at Yankee Stadium tonight.

Not even sure I agree with your premise given that a lot of the messaging I am seeing centers around economics and cost of living along with anti-Trump messaging. But even taking it at face value, they are a party competing in a midterm against a wildly unpopular President who is in the red on just about every issue and who, within the two months, dragged the country into a war that Americans don't want to be in and one that is raising gas prices for everyone. Are you suggesting they *shouldn't* have messaging that exploits that? If it's April 2028 and it's all about Trump, maybe that's a different story... But it's a Midterm cycle. Not engaging in anti-incumbent messaging against a wildly unpopular President would be malpractice

The Twins tonight - on Monday the 13th - just defeated the Red Sox 13–6 in Minnesota. They now have the best record in the American League at 10–7.

In 2022, the Democrats did better than any party in modern history in a Presidential midterm outside of Bush (post 9/11) and Clinton (post impeachment). The stakes are higher because of Trump so I understand your point... But Bombers isn't wrong here in a historical context either. The base case for incumbent parties in our ****ed up system of government is to eat it during the Midterms. Just holding the Senate alone under those circumstances made it a win IMO

what you run on and what the voters are voting about may or may not have anything in common.

If he had a contagion of financial backers bailing, thats all the longer it takes. FWIW, the Politico back story about him said his political roots in CA were shallow - he didn't have a core of in state support to loyal to him to fall back on.

NOW you come back in the 3rd.

In 2018 Dems ran on health care and not anti Trump. In 2022 they ran on abortion and not anti Trump. In 2020 Biden ran on infrastructure and COVID.

72 hours ago Swalwell was the front runner to be California's governor.

I'm not dismissing it, but the I strongly believe the Dems have been whistling past the graveyard for several cycles about their approval with the wider public. Anti-Trumpism is great to see, but if that is all we are seeing, and right now there is no way to know the difference, it doesn't really represent the Democratic party's ability the take control of the basic political agenda from the right wing, and while that may put a brake on Trump's power in at the end of the year, it doesn't create the conditions for the change needed to prevent another Trump from emerging from one side or the other.