1984Echoes

I don't need caffeine, I'm already hyper. Hyper since I was 2 years old. Just something I have to live with. The all-caps aren't RANDOM, they are on specific words that I am emphasizing. Maybe that's just being hyper, maybe i did have a little bit of caffeine tonight... I do seem to be on speed dial tonight but... NO relation to Trump. Don't even try that ****!!!

No Kane this game... so, not yet.

So what you're telling me is that I MUST agree with you, if we have a difference of opinion, otherwise I am arrogant and dismissive? I MUST accept someone else's beliefs, NO MATTER WHAT, otherwise I am arrogant and dismissive? Because you understand that I am NOT going to change my opinion, no matter how upset you get. I am NOT going to acknowledge the existence of a god when I know there is none. I DO dismiss the existence of any god, as upset as you want to get about that. But let's flip that on its head. I have offered a hundred (just a WAG) different opinions than yours. Why I believe there is no god. And in YOUR arrogance and YOUR dismissiveness, you've dismissed EVERY thing I've said... with: But it's God. It's pretty comical how hypocritical believers are. They do EXACTLY what you accuse me of doing. Arrogantly, and dismissively. You have been dismissing my every post for the past 3 pages. My recommendation: Look in the mirror. But that's EXACTLY what you're proposing. That some magical creature called "god", a creature CREATED in the imagination of humankind, is the MAGICAL CREATOR of science.

I would not use narrow. More along the lines of black and white. This works, That doesn't. This is true. That is false. Teleology? Not a mystery to me. Every living being's purpose? To propagate its DNA. Human teleology? Self-defined, I've already stated as such above in a previous post. Origin and nature of will/volition? I don't believe in "fate". I don't believe in pre-determination. I'll throw a couple more back at ya': Origin of the ability to speak, origin of language, origin of dreams. These are all biochemical or physical abilities that evolved. Dreams? The development of language parallels the meaning/ interpretation we can give to our dreams. Free will? I make my own choices, every day. Is that too narrow, or more aptly black and white? I don't discount gray areas, although certain areas are a lot less gray than others. IE: Heliocentrism is black and white for me. I don't see any gray area in whether the sun revolves around Earth or the Earth revolves around the sun. I may have a very narrow viewpoint in heliocentrism but I don't see ANY problem with that narrow viewpoint. Other areas, as I've said, are a whole lot more gray and much more open to interpretation, opinions, beliefs, etc.... Teleology? Yeah, I get that there's a WHOLE lot more gray area in that then my simple black and white definition (you can call that flippant if you want, I get it...). I was just being... flippant? Narrow? Black and white? However, I DO recognize the grayness of teleology and the more expansive room for ideas....

I'm sorry, not to be rude, but... That statement is completely and totally laughable. The existence of science is NO evidence, whatsoever, of a god. None.

What are you TALKING about? The individual scientist matters ZERO in science, and you KNOW that. One scientist may offer a scientific theory, any scientific theory... which does NOT matter at all... It is the 1,000's of tests OF that theory that matter. That prove or disprove a theory. That establish a preponderance of evidence that prove or disprove that theory. Newton's Theory of Gravity is awesome. Brilliant. But it matters not one whit versus the preponderance of tests, evidence, etc... that PROVE the Theory of Gravity. And what Newton "BELIEVED", about ANYTHING, not counting Gravity, changes NOT ONE THING about the Theory of Gravity.

That's called "reaching for straws". Science has ZERO evidence for "planned creation" because there is no such evidence. Except for humankind's story-telling fabrications. Sorry, but science rejects god.

But if it were just a genetic connection... You know, like Assassin's Creed (the movie, I don't know the software game all that well)... I would be good with that. PS: Was there a UFO last season...? I remember the UFO in season 2, which I alluded to above, in the first episode and in the penultimate episode... and those played major roles in the deaths of both Rye Gephardt and Bear Gephardt. That could have been a bit much... but it was the 70's so I thought it was perfectly acceptable.

Yes, it has. Are you telling me that SCIENCE ACCEPTS that "god" created the universe? Because that's a falsehood. It's a straight-up lie. That "god" created Homo Sapiens? No, science rejects that. It also rejects that god directed evolution. Note: I did NOT say that religion rejects science... and in fact, any believer must come to terms with what science has PROVEN. Religious believers must reconcile with science, not the other way around. Proven, that the Earth is NOT flat, that the universe does NOT revolve around the earth, that Homo Sapiens evolved and was NOT "created" by any god or god-like entity, that Earth DID spring up naturally in the natural evolution of the universe (which is 13.7 Billion years old, Earth is 4.5 Billion years old so it ABSOLUTELY was created in the same natural process that created our Sun, Mercury, Mars, Saturn & Pluto...). And yes, science rejects "god". Sorry.

Science also has rejected god.

And also Reese Olson and Kerry Carpenter and Jake Rogers and Parker Meadows and Garrett Hill and Jason Foley and Colt Keith and Matt Manning and Joey Wentz (errr, scratch that...), and Beau Brieske and Alex Faedo and Jace Jung... You know, for full disclosure... 😉

I'll give one more example... more-religion-based than prior example: I believe most religious texts state that the universe revolves around Earth. Not just the bible, but other religions and ancient mythologies as well. 400 years ago, everyone believed this. At least the majority did. The church did. In fact the church burned alive Giordano Bruno in 1600 in Rome, as a heretic, because he espoused that the Earth revolved around the sun, not the other way around. https://www.britannica.com/biography/Giordano-Bruno But the majority (at that time) believed the universe revolved around the Earth so, it must be true, right?

PS: The rejection of the existence of a god is due to the fact that it is ALL mankind-created. Through story-telling. Through fabrication. And through the evolution of Sun spirit to Sun God to the One God to Jesus, son of god.

Do you mean, like... When EVERYONE in the world thought this planet was flat? Because if a majority believes it, it must be true, right?

Well... That's because I know EVERYTHING. And I am ALWAYS RIGHT.

Which makes my follow up comments valid, I believe. But... to answer your question... I KNOW religious people question their beliefs. I have definitely challenged a lot of my friends with difficult questions.... 😉

I never said that. YOU stated "most people have a natural curiosity which makes them wonder about the origins and meaning of life. Not everybody goes through not questioning why we are here." Who exactly are YOU referring to here, as "not questioning"?

Don't make the assumption that atheism or secularism = not questioning. That's a pretty bold and false assumption. There are those who are actually able to question, and find real answers not rooted in myth.

What an infantile comment. That has absolutely nothing to do with ignorance.

This is the part that I know I've seen, but would like to rewatch to let it sink in further. Also, I didn't think supernatural at the time but more along the lines of the superstitions rampant in earlier times. I forget what he did after the ceremony also... which may be the supernatural derivation...

Oh wait... I was thinking only about Dot and not the assassin... I'm going to need to rewatch it. I'm getting old.

What makes it seem sustainable to me is that... They had PROBLEMS (yes, I am using all-caps)... And were able to correct them.

??? Supernatural was Fargo season 2. Season 5 I haven't seen anything about supernatural... it's all about spousal abuse, hiding from a violent spouse, Police abuse, and survival techniques.

YOU offered an asinine comment, and then tried to pass it off as a "joke". Just like Trump. I don't think that I am the problem in this instance.

Here is the first Greek Jesus: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollonius_of_Tyana Synopsis: "Apollonius of Tyana was a first-century Greek philosopher and religious leader from the town of Tyana, Cappadocia in Roman Anatolia, who spent his life travelling and teaching in the Middle East, North Africa and South Asia. He is a central figure in Neopythagoreanism and was one of the most famous "miracle workers" of his day. His exceptional personality and his mystical way of life, which was regarded as exemplary, impressed his contemporaries and had a lasting cultural influence. Numerous legends surrounding him and accounts of his life are contained in the extensive Life of Apollonius, which collects a large part of the legendary material about Apollonius' life and work. A large part of the ancient legends of Apollonius consist of numerous reports about miracles that he was said to have performed as a wandering sage with his lifelong companion Damis. He was tried for allegedly having used magic as a means of conspiring against the emperor; after his conviction and subsequent death-penalty, his followers believed he underwent heavenly ascension. Most modern scholars of antiquity agree that Apollonius existed historically..." It didn't take. Certainly, obviously, not as well as Paul's interpretation of Hebrew Yeshua.