1984Echoes

The only thing here is that the story is only at the second chapter for Tork/ Greene/ Mize/ Manning/ Baddoo/ Skubal etc... and not even the first chapter on a host of other up and coming prospects. So yes, they've fallen flat on their face this year. But that's NOT the end of the story for those guys....

Hyperbole? That's not the correct term (which is "exaggerated statements"). The correct terminology is "optimism in the face of adversity". Different things. An optimism link in case you need one: https://www.centreforoptimism.com/Optimism-and-Adversity

Title: "Who do you WANT?!" Prologue: "Names that Detroit Tiger fans will becoming familiar with over the next twelve months". Main Characters: Dylan Crews - Deluxe Outfielder Jacob Gonzalez - Supreme Shortstop Max Clark - Superb Outfielder Chase Dollander - Essential Ace Walker Jenkins - Powerful Outfielder Enrique Bradfield Jr. - Exciting Outfielder Dylan Cupp - Quality Shortstop Tanner Witt - Very Good Pitcher Kevin McGonigle - Consolation Shortstop Brock Wilken - Rey Rivera 3rd Baseman Plot: "How do we FIX these Tigers?!" Mystery: "WHO murdered Al Avila?!" Conclusion to this mystery: To be Determined!!!

Found this... (our potential lottery tickets for next year): https://baseballprospectjournal.com/2023-mlb-draft-top-10-pick-mock-draft/ (I killed the team names since those will change anyways...): 1. Dylan Crews, OF, LSU Crews has a powerful right-handed swing that produces elite exit velocities and uses the entire field. He hits for average and power while possessing respectable plate discipline. Crews has the skillset to remain in center field. He has above-average speed and arm strength. He also has quality instincts that allow him to make all the necessary plays in the field. Crews is the complete package. The 6-foot, 203-pound outfielder has five-tool potential with the ability to move through a minor-league system quickly. 2. Jacob Gonzalez, SS, Mississippi Gonzalez has made a tremendous impact offensively in his first two years at Ole Miss. The 6-foot-2, 200-pound left-handed hitter is a well-rounded offensive player. He has notable bat-to-ball skills and hits for average and power to all fields. He also has tremendous plate discipline, as he has more walks (88) than strikeouts (66) at Ole Miss. Defensively, Gonzalez is athletic and possesses above-average arm strength. He has good instincts and will remain at shortstop long term. 3. Max Clark, OF, Franklin (Ind.) Community HS Clark is the best prep player in the 2023 MLB draft class. The 6-foot-1, 190-pound outfielder features a well-rounded toolset with the potential to be a five-tool player in pro ball. Clark has a smooth left-handed swing with above-average bat speed that allows him to hit line drives to all parts of the field consistently. He has strong plate discipline and doesn’t swing and miss often. Defensively, the center fielder is an elite athlete with good instincts, moves well from gap to gap and boasts above-average arm strength. 4. Chase Dollander, RHP, Tennessee Dollander is the top college arm in the 2023 MLB draft class. The 6-foot-3, 192-pound right-handed pitcher boasts a mid-90s fastball that touches 98 mph. He throws from a repeatable delivery and mixes in three secondary pitches, including a high-80s slider. Dollander generates a lot of swings and misses with his fastball. He isn’t afraid to challenge hitters and possesses quality command and control of his pitches. 5. Walker Jenkins, OF, South Brunswick (N.C.) HS Jenkins isn’t too far behind Clark, with some scouts ranking Jenkins as the top prep prospect in the 2023 draft. Jenkins is a 6-foot-3, 210-pound left-handed hitting outfielder with an exciting ability to hit for average and power. He consistently barrels up pitches and does an excellent job using the opposite field. He also has strong plate discipline. Defensively, Jenkins has all the attributes to remain in center field. He is athletic and displays strong instincts. He also has above-average arm strength. 6. Enrique Bradfield Jr., OF, Vanderbilt Bradfield possesses elite speed and projects as a quality top-of-the-order hitter in the pro ranks. The 6-foot-1, 160-pound left-handed hitter has a contact-oriented approach, a strong understanding of the strike zone, and a proven ability to create disruption on the bases. He is a well-regarded defensive center fielder who will remain at the position in pro ball. He runs quality routes and covers a lot of ground due to his speed. 7. Dylan Cupp, SS, Cedartown (Ga.) HS Cupp is the top prep infielder in the 2023 MLB draft class. The 6-foot-2, 190-pound shortstop has an advanced toolset with the skills to remain at shortstop long term. Offensively, the right-handed hitter has notable bat speed and a strong understanding of the strike zone. He consistently squares up the baseball and uses the entire field. He flashes quality power potential. Defensively, Cupp has the arm strength, athleticism, lateral movement and instincts to play shortstop in pro ball. 8. Tanner Witt, RHP, Texas Witt is currently recovering from Tommy John surgery. When healthy, Witt has the exciting combination of size and pitch mix to make him the top pitching prospect in the 2023 draft. Witt is a 6-foot-5, 215-pound righty who primarily relies on a low-to-mid-90s fastball, which features movement, and a 12-to-6 curveball. He mixes in a changeup and slider. He attacks the strike zone and features quality control and command of his pitches. 9. Kevin McGonigle, SS, Monsignor Bonner (Pa.) HS McGonigle has performed well this year, especially recently in the PDP League. The 5-foot-11, 185-pound shortstop is a left-handed hitter who consistently has quality at-bats and hits the ball hard. He has a mature approach and strong plate discipline. Defensively, McGonigle has strong instincts and defensive actions. He is athletic and has respectable arm strength. Some scouts believe McGonigle profiles better at second base long term. 10. Brock Wilken, 3B, Wake Forest Wilken is a big-time power hitter who uses all parts of the field. The 6-foot-4, 225-pound right-handed hitter is more of a power over average hitter and is aggressive every time he steps to the plate. His approach sometimes leads to strikeouts, as he has recorded 107 strikeouts to 57 walks in two seasons at Wake Forest. Defensively, Wilken is an adequate defender and will play third base in pro ball due to his strong arm.

Now I think Avila can jump up that small waterfall (as all or most salmon do...) and get to that special spawning place... But it seems most everyone else thinks Al is going backwards and is going to get washed over a different kind of falls...

Since everyone LOVES those top 10 Al Avila draft picks... !!! Guess what?! We are going to get ANOTHER one of those in 2023!!! We are currently in the #4 draft spot for next year, BTW... But then... the new lottery... So who are the top 6 guys next year?

Willi can actually get on base once in awhile and Schoop can actually plug one into the seats... Neither of which has actually happened all that often this year so I get the point....

I am VERY interested to see what we get out of our plethora of trade deadline relievers...

I think he knows how to swim. But he just started taking lessons a couple years ago. And still has some learnin' to do 'cause he ain't no Olympian. Yeah, that doesn't help either...

PS: Fryman was my favorite player in the 90's and the one I hated most having to see go through that non-winning era....

I still think Candi is somewhere within the Travis Fryman-Tom Brookens-Brandon Inge spectrum.... Not a star by any means. But a good enough player that you can live with him and not have him on a "must-replace" list or at least not a priority replace. Brookens lifetime 11.5 (B-Ref) WAR. Fryman 34.4 lifetime WAR. Inge (all over the place but 70% in MLB at 3B) 19.2 lifetime WAR. Jeimer 6.7 WAR so far, at 28. I wish he were more consistent though.... He might be closer to Inge than Brookens. (Although he also loses some to the pandemic...).

Candelario does seem to be getting pretty hot...

I'm just going to guess that this is probably the most we can expect out of Garrett Hill: That he can "gut" out 5 innings. Results might not be pretty... might not even be good... But if you need a guy to make it through 5 innings....

Just keep pushing upstream.... against the current.

I think this is most like swimming upstream. You fight like hell, swim like hell... but the stream (injuries/ other teams/ etc.) are against you. And it sucks trying to swim upstream, and it takes forever, and it's dispiriting to have setbacks and/or to take forever trying to get upstream... But if salmon can get upstream, and spawn... then why can't we?

PS: Nukes have been in Europe for what, 70-ish years? Britain 1956 until today. France in 1960. Other NATO countries at various times with US weapons (Belgium, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, also Turkey... a lot of 50's emplacements by the Eisenhower administration). Protecting them first from the Soviet Union and now from threats from Russia/ Putin. But I need to check myself into a mental hospital? Look in the mirror. What an asinine comment.

GFY.

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Torkelson is already traded? Please tell me what we traded him for because I haven't seen anything on that. Baez is already traded? Please tell me what we traded him for because I haven't seen anything on that. Greene is already traded? Please tell me what we traded him for because I haven't seen anything on that. Manning is already traded? Please tell me what we traded him for because I haven't seen anything on that. E-Rod is already traded? Please tell me what we traded him for because I haven't seen anything on that. Baddoo is already traded? Please tell me what we traded him for because I haven't seen anything on that. Mize is already traded? Please tell me what we traded him for because I haven't seen anything on that. Brieske is already traded? Please tell me what we traded him for because I haven't seen anything on that. Skubal is already traded? Please tell me what we traded him for because I haven't seen anything on that. If it's anyone else on the 25 aside from those listed above... I could give a crap anyways. Dumping Barnhart, Schoop. Fulmer, Chafin, 1 or 2 Castrei, Grossman, Soto, Jimenez AND Reyes is not tearing anything down. It's dumping underperformers or sell-highs for whatever we can get and to move new blood onto the 25. Which I am perfectly fine with. If THAT's the tear down... then DO it Al.

So did they trade everyone? Is that already a done deal? Because if not, that's just pure speculation that means absolutely nothing. But you already knew that.

I can tell that you're right... nothing matters... Just by looking at today's game thread...

PS: Actually I think the album title is "You're Gonna Get It"... I have it buried somewhere...

Nihilist. 😉

Go ahead and question his track record and results. Try using relevant arguments instead of irrelevant and disingenuous ones. But that's just me.

Since Avila was demanding Gleyber Torres for either Boyd or Fulmer... I think you and everyone else stating this is full of it.