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I was willing to chalk the Bears game up to just being one of those games but when you look at the totality of it since Baltimore, it's now a growing pattern that makes me think the 8-2 record is a fluke and that this team is about to crumble down the stretch. Baltimore obvious disaster, so many errors in the Raiders game, 5 straight TDs for the Chargers and now these last two abominations. These guys might be frauds.

The Lions should be the ones that come out swinging with being at home on Thanksgiving following arguably their worst performance of the Campbell era. Add in that the Packers have a lot of injuries and I'd be disappointed and a bit concerned if this wasn't a double digit victory.

That game was peak SOL. That team was a one and done anyway but that game was a microcosm of the last 60+ years of Lions football all wrapped up in one game.

You give them a heavy dose of Montgomery and Gibbs in an outside road playoff game, that's where the Lions strength lies. Unfortunately, the Eagles strength is up front so it would be strength vs. strength but I'd like my chances at Philly better relying on the running game than Goff's arm.

The goal should be Superbowl, not rooting for a lesser seed just so they could have an easier 1st playoff game opponent IMO. I guess it depends on fan perspective. I see an 8-2 Lions team regardless of flaws so I see an opportunity to make a deep run and want what's best for a SB run. I don't see a team that should be happy with a 1st round win, that's a Caldwell Lions goal. Getting a bye gets you one step closer to a SB and homefield is critical. Sure it would be nice to break the playoff losing streak but I'm rooting for the best path to a Superbowl.

Nah you want the 1 seed especially in the Lions case, you want home field throughout and you get the only 1st round bye with the 1 seed. You're going to have face the best competition eventually whether it's as a 1 or 2 seed.

I never understood the character concern argument. He's never had any off the field issues as far as we know and look at how he interacts with his teammates even when he's not involved in the offense (always the first to celebrate with his guys, root them on etc.), not to mention that he does things like making key blocks when he's not being targeted. There are plenty of diva receivers that would pout when they're not getting enough touches, Jamo always seemed to be involved with the team. We'd all like to see him make more plays/get more targets but I don't see any character concerns with him whatsoever. Also, he's getting progressively better every week you can see them starting to get him more involved. I have a feeling that he's on the verge of a breakout not to the point of being a legit #1 receiver but as a more consistent big play threat.

No, I'm saying two compensatory picks for Glenn leaving then hiring Vrabel to replace Glenn if he's a free agent would be a dream.

Two 3rd round picks and hire Vrabel as DC? That would be a dream.

It's not even that they got conservative, they did throw deep on 3rd, it was that they left their biggest weapon which is Fields legs on the shelf. Lucky us.

The Lions couldn't stop Fields on that counter play and they didn't run it once on that final drive. I thought for sure that they'd do it on 3rd and long and when he threw deep, I felt relief. That's why teams like the Bears constantly remain bad.

Goff did play poorly but 2 of those INTs was just bad luck. LaPorta running into the Bear defender so he was absent at the spot where the ball ended up and the 3rd INT was a tipped ball. Everything that could go wrong did go wrong for the Lions in this game and they still won, that in itself should be encouraging. One issue I have, besides the complete inability to stop a running QB, is that they need to run the ball more. Montgomery gets chunks every time he touches the ball, 12 rushes isn't enough. Same with Gibbs, needs more touches.

Holy Hell did they pull that one out of the fire, I could only imagine what a gong show this thread was during the game haha. That might have been the worst game they've played in the Dan Campbell era then they pulled on their big boy pants and somehow someway won a game they had no business winning. I'm not even going to analyze what went wrong. Just be happy that they won a game playing their D game which is pretty impressive considering how they were just giving the game away time and time again. On to Thanksgiving you turkeys.

It's funny that you don't think Montgomery would have made a difference. Anyway, we'll never know so maybe we should move on? The team is 7-2, that's pretty good no?

Sure but it's hard to already look ahead to next season when they're 7-2 with a manageable schedule in the last 8. I wouldn't necessarily write off the team this season just because Holmes didn't trade for a Chase Young type at the deadline.

That's because you're just looking at sack numbers. He's one of the tops in the league in QB pressures, is excellent in the run game and even drops back in pass coverage at times, not to mention that he draws all the attention of the offense because of the lack of a bookend edge to ease the pressure off of him. In a lot of ways, he's actually better than last year despite pacing for slightly less sacks.

He's collecting players with a lot of natural talent. Hayes was an upside pick, Bey was known as a steal at the time, Stewart is what he is, Cade was the BPA, Ivey was arguably the best pure talent in the draft with Duren not far behind, Ausar again with big upside, he traded I don't know how many times for former high 1st round picks that had a lot of upside hoping that something clicks. That's all he's done is collect 1sts and back on talent. He doesn't seem to care about fit, need, supplying these players with the legit vets. He's just throwing a bunch of talent against the wall hoping that it sticks. Again though, you can't win in this league without a star or capable vets (legit vets like FVV in Houston as one example) and the Pistons don't have that so essentially I agree with you but what I'm saying is that Weaver has no idea how to build a team at least thus far.

Because it's all young guys and none of them are franchise players. Weaver knows exactly what he's doing. He's just collecting a bunch of young talent, regardless of fit, and praying that it sticks. The design is to tank another year and pray that he finds a true #1 player. It's The Process Part Deux

Exactly right. It's just a collection of talented players either highly drafted by the Pistons or highly drafted by another organization. The pieces don't fit and there's no alpha in the group so what you get is a bunch of young guys who have no idea how to play winning basketball and nobody that can carry the team and win games on his own when the others aren't playing well. "The Process" of a complete teardown rebuild and just throwing a bunch of young guys together hoping it sticks only works if you have an Embiid level talent to spearhead it. When you have a mid player like Cade at the forefront, it's going to get ugly. What I think needs to be done is that they need to consolidate some of the young talent by bringing in more proven players that fit better. For instance, use Ivey as trade bait especially if you're not going to utilize him much. I don't know what he'd be worth but I'm sure there's teams that see the talent and would be willing to pony up a nice package. All I know is that it can't keep going on like this. Losing begets more losing and these guys play like players that have no idea how to win. The 4th quarters from the games I've seen have been ugly, every single one of them. Losing is engrained deep in this culture right now and it's consuming these guys.

Cade ain't the guy and it's becoming more and more clear that Casey was unfairly scapegoated. This team is just as bad as last year and this is with the "franchise player" that they didn't have last year. Another long, ugly season ahead and Weaver should be on the hot seat if the win total barely budges from the 16 last year which is certainly possible.

There's too much obsession with Jamo anyway not just here but all over social media as well. The Lions are 7-2 and have a top 5 offense yet we get all this Jamo talk. I get that he was a high pick that they traded up for but who cares right now? The focus should be on enjoying the Lions success and riding that wave. If they were losing and the offense stunk then I'd understand if that what looks like failed pick would be the center of discussion but that's not the case.

Lol, you're killing it today TP. **** on Ben Johnson, who is one of the elite OCs in the league, endlessly and praise Jamo who is a blocking receiver at this point in his career which would be fine if he was taken in the 6th round and not 12th overall. FTR, I'm one of those who is willing to be patient with Jamo but I just find it hilarious that you defend him and constantly criticize the orchestrator of a top 5 offense although, yes, BJ has had a few questionable playcalls in the Red Zone at times as anybody does since nobody is perfect.

Seriously, he's like Teflon Cade with some completely free of criticism but the reality is that he's not a good NBA starter at this point in his career. Inefficient, turnover prone and poor defensively. Yeah he's still young and doesn't have much help but it's time to start questioning whether or not he's the guy to lead this franchise.

I do remember 6-2 when Big Bad Shaun Rogers returned the INT for a TD against Denver. Then I also remembered when, I believe, they went 1-7 the rest of the way.

He's a top 5 receiver in the league when you take into account his overall play as a blocker also and his uncanny ability to come up with the big catch so often and the dawg mentality. He might not get you the 70 yard TD in the air like a Hill, Diggs or Chase which is why those guys are the elite of the elite but I don't know who in that 2nd tier I'd take over him.