ben9753 Posted September 30 Posted September 30 Why even have laws? Criminals don’t care about them anyway. 1 Quote
CMRivdogs Posted September 30 Posted September 30 8 minutes ago, Archie said: That would increase crime because criminals wouldn't have to worry about the law abiding firearm owner defending themselves. Besides the criminals don't follow laws and would still have guns. By that logic let's just go Wild West. Do away with all laws because criminals don't follow them anyway. Got it. Quote
CMRivdogs Posted September 30 Posted September 30 And I thought you guys were in favor of Law and Order. It still may be so unless it applies to you Quote
CMRivdogs Posted September 30 Posted September 30 31 minutes ago, Archie said: That would increase crime because criminals wouldn't have to worry about the law abiding firearm owner defending themselves. Besides the criminals don't follow laws and would still have guns. BTW if strong restrictions on weapons don't work. Can you explain why the US has with the largest firearm ownership in the world also has the highest gun death rate in the world? Also if countries like Japan, the UK and Australia all have stricter gun control laws AND much lower firearm death rates. How do you explain that? Quote
LaceyLou Posted September 30 Posted September 30 I was wondering when the 'if guns are outlawed then only outlaws will own guns' argument was going to come up. I only have one or two left on my card before I get bingo. 1 1 Quote
chasfh Posted September 30 Posted September 30 19 hours ago, oblong said: I don't believe it was every about "tyranny". If it were...well.... we are getting some of it now and those good ol' boys are pretty damn quiet. Or scared. In all seriousness they may justify government militias made up of deputized citizens as an effort to rid the country of leftist tyrants like Antifa and Portland residents and people who lip off on message boards. 1 Quote
VegasTiger Posted September 30 Posted September 30 55 minutes ago, Archie said: That would increase crime because criminals wouldn't have to worry about the law abiding firearm owner defending themselves. Besides the criminals don't follow laws and would still have guns. Why don't the criminals have automatic weapons? Quote
chasfh Posted September 30 Posted September 30 54 minutes ago, Archie said: That would increase crime because criminals wouldn't have to worry about the law abiding firearm owner defending themselves. Besides the criminals don't follow laws and would still have guns. I promise you second amendment “patriots” themselves would not follow the law and would still have guns as well. Which would make them criminals at the point And as criminals they don’t follow laws. What the what … Quote
pfife Posted September 30 Posted September 30 1 hour ago, Archie said: Who in the US owns automatic firearms? They are very rare to be owned by normal citizens, take a long time to get approval to buy one - usually a couple years, and very expensive to purchase. Last one I heard of for sale was $22,000. Release the epstien files. Quote
Motor City Sonics Posted September 30 Posted September 30 (edited) So many of these mass shooters White. Christian. Males. Seems to be a problem of their own making. They all claim to follow Christ but their leaders preach the exact opposite of what Christ tried to teach. Maybe it causes the hard drives in their brains to just crash. They can keep blaming the left, but we know who's doing this And honestly. What the **** have you got to be so angry about anyway? The whole game is tilted in your favor. If things aren't going your way, it's probably because of you. Hey, a lot doesn't go my way, but that's my fault most of the time and when it's not, it's my fault for not reading things better. But I am not one of these people who thinks they deserve to have everything. Greed. Violence. Stupidity. The American Way. What the hell happened to humility, man? So sick of this **** where the people who are screaming the loudest are the ones getting all the attention. It has to stop at some point, right? There has to be a backlash where everyone just calms down and takes a breath. Ireland went through this. It was called The Troubles. For decades. Nobody won in the end. Just a lot of people getting killed for no reason and most of the Catholics and Protestants didn't want to fight. They just wanted better lives and better jobs, they had nothing against each other. Like 85% of the country, but the 15% that were violent and militant and stupid got all the attention with their violence and their shouting and bombing. Probably wasn't even 15%, more like 7-10% Took a long time but most of those combative mother****ers got old and died off, or the younger generations just started ignoring them and now, finally they are just living with each other peacefully. I think Ireland is the 2nd or 3rd safest country in Europe now. That would have been unimaginable in 1975. The border with the north is barely even a border anymore. The country may never fully unify, but they're quite relaxed about co-existing. How long will it take for us to get there? I hope in my lifetime. The damage that just 3 or 4 people have done. It started with Limbaugh. Edited September 30 by Motor City Sonics Quote
GalagaGuy Posted October 1 Posted October 1 (edited) Right wingers sure did stop talking about the Michigan church shooting faster than the speed of light. Edited October 1 by GalagaGuy 1 Quote
chasfh Posted October 1 Posted October 1 (edited) 16 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said: Right wingers sure did stop talking about the Michigan church shooting faster than the speed of light. They stopped talking about it because they couldn’t pin it on a southpaw, even though they try to do so for every single shooting, and invariably, the allegation is always laid out flat on its back by the facts. The unfortunate thing is, that whole line of rhetoric is governed by the Principle of It Takes Only One—it this case, it takes only one legitimate case of a lefty actually perpetrating a mass shooting in the general vicinity of maga-friendly culture before Trump declares a national emergency and martial law, sending the military into every major city in the country, particularly those governed by people of color, and rounding up local political leaders, media, academia, and community organizers, as well as many of the ordinary people merely in proximity to them, by the tens or hundreds of thousands. They will be disappeared in plain sight from their family, friends, and neighbors, sequestered away indefinitely within our own country, unreachable and incommunicado, and will meet whatever their fate might be. And then we will truly be off to the races on the collapse of traditional American ideals. Edited October 1 by chasfh Quote
Archie Posted October 1 Posted October 1 1 hour ago, Motor City Sonics said: So many of these mass shooters White. Christian. Males. The people that commit these terrible crimes are not just conservative white males. Over the last few years a lot of them have been committed by people that call themselves trans and are liberals. People that commit such crimes have severe mental problems. @chasfh I don't think anyone has stopped talking about the church shooting any sooner than other mass murders. I still see new information about it posted on different news sites including Foxnews. It made the normal news cycles and now they are on to something else unless there is new information about it. I think both comments are more about trying to get something to fit your political agenda than what is actually happening. Quote
pfife Posted October 1 Posted October 1 20 minutes ago, Archie said: The people that commit these terrible crimes are not just conservative white males. Over the last few years a lot of them have been committed by people that call themselves trans and are liberals. People that commit such crimes have severe mental problems. @chasfh I don't think anyone has stopped talking about the church shooting any sooner than other mass murders. I still see new information about it posted on different news sites including Foxnews. It made the normal news cycles and now they are on to something else unless there is new information about it. I think both comments are more about trying to get something to fit your political agenda than what is actually happening. I agree they should release the epstein files Quote
CMRivdogs Posted October 1 Posted October 1 This one slipped completely beneath my radar. This past Saturday at a restaurant bar near where my sister in law has a second home. Another former marine exercising his second amendment rights. To bad the administration and the majority party in Congress wants to cut programs that may have helped him and the guy in Michigan https://www.starnewsonline.com/story/news/2025/09/29/southport-nc-mass-shooting-3-dead-latest-nigel-edge-victim-ids/86419738007/ https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/article312297067.html Quote
Tigeraholic1 Posted October 3 Posted October 3 On 9/30/2025 at 4:23 PM, chasfh said: In all seriousness they may justify government militias made up of deputized citizens as an effort to rid the country of leftist tyrants like Antifa and Portland residents and people who lip off on message boards. Nobody likes a leftist tyrant. Quote
Tigeraholic1 Posted October 3 Posted October 3 On 9/30/2025 at 9:22 PM, Archie said: The people that commit these terrible crimes are not just conservative white males. Over the last few years a lot of them have been committed by people that call themselves trans and are liberals. People that commit such crimes have severe mental problems. @chasfh I don't think anyone has stopped talking about the church shooting any sooner than other mass murders. I still see new information about it posted on different news sites including Foxnews. It made the normal news cycles and now they are on to something else unless there is new information about it. I think both comments are more about trying to get something to fit your political agenda than what is actually happening. I saw that Mormon church raised and donated over 100K to the shooters family. Quote
CMRivdogs Posted October 3 Posted October 3 50 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: I saw that Mormon church raised and donated over 100K to the shooters family. That's what real Christians are supposed to do Quote
Tigeraholic1 Posted October 3 Posted October 3 5 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: That's what real Christians are supposed to do Mormons are not Christians, nice gesture from them tho. Quote
CMRivdogs Posted October 3 Posted October 3 7 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: Mormons are not Christians, nice gesture from them tho. Much better than what I'm seeing from "Real" Christian churches. But many of them don't seem to be Christian in the terms of following Christ's teachings. 2 Quote
oblong Posted October 3 Posted October 3 I think the shooter's rantings was along the lines of them not being real Christians too. 1 Quote
Mr.TaterSalad Posted October 3 Posted October 3 (edited) On 9/30/2025 at 9:22 PM, Archie said: The people that commit these terrible crimes are not just conservative white males. Over the last few years a lot of them have been committed by people that call themselves trans and are liberals. People that commit such crimes have severe mental problems. @chasfh I don't think anyone has stopped talking about the church shooting any sooner than other mass murders. I still see new information about it posted on different news sites including Foxnews. It made the normal news cycles and now they are on to something else unless there is new information about it. I think both comments are more about trying to get something to fit your political agenda than what is actually happening. The word a lot in your second sentence is doing A LOT of heavy lifting because it simply isn't backed up by facts. According to the Gun Violence Archive there were 5,748 mass shootings between 1/1/2013 and 9/15/2025. That number may not be 100% accurate of course and the definition of what qualifies may change. Of that number a total of 5 were carried out by transgendered people. Not 500, not even 50, only 5. That is still 5 too many as any mass shooting is horrific and unacceptable. But that's significantly less than even a single percentage or half of one percent. It completely defeats your made up narrative that you're peddling. Your use of the word a lot there, to try and imply that trans people and liberals are committing most mass shootings, is built on either a foundation of ignorance or a foundation of dishonesty or both. As to the second point I highlighted at the bottom. You accuse MCS of trying to fit something into a political agenda . . . while you're doing the exact same thing. You are trying to spin a false narrative of "all these trans mass shootings" with out a shred of evidence or factual data to back it up. You are living in a house built of straw, blown over easily be facts and data. Edited October 3 by Mr.TaterSalad 2 Quote
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