buddha Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 this game means as much to michigan as it does michigan state. this isnt 1970-2012 anymore. if you want to live in "sports radio narrative land", then you can say "michigan always plays with a chip on its shoulder against state the year after they lose to state." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 (edited) 47 minutes ago, buddha said: this game means as much to michigan as it does michigan state. this isnt 1970-2012 anymore. if you want to live in "sports radio narrative land", then you can say "michigan always plays with a chip on its shoulder against state the year after they lose to state." or it could have little to do with anything other than which team is better. Of course if M could hit more receivers open deep, they could play with anyone. I just can't figure Harbaugh. The guy loves QBs that can't throw. Now granted, I'll take McNamara over Patterson any day of the week. Patterson was the worst thrower I've seen under center at M since Bo insisted on playing Ricky Leach with a torn up shoulder. Cade at least does throw a reasonable mid range ball, but he's still a cubit short of an NFL quality arm. Edited October 11, 2021 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 1 hour ago, buddha said: this game means as much to michigan as it does michigan state. this isnt 1970-2012 anymore. if you want to live in "sports radio narrative land", then you can say "michigan always plays with a chip on its shoulder against state the year after they lose to state." Sports radio narrative land has the least efficient form of government and its economy is based on schadenfreude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djhutch Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 On 10/11/2021 at 10:24 AM, gehringer_2 said: or it could have little to do with anything other than which team is better. Of course if M could hit more receivers open deep, they could play with anyone. I just can't figure Harbaugh. The guy loves QBs that can't throw. Now granted, I'll take McNamara over Patterson any day of the week. Patterson was the worst thrower I've seen under center at M since Bo insisted on playing Ricky Leach with a torn up shoulder. Cade at least does throw a reasonable mid range ball, but he's still a cubit short of an NFL quality arm. Devin Gardner on line 1 would like to speak with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 minute ago, djhutch said: Devin Gardner on line 1 would like to speak with you. HaHa - I don't know - it would be an interesting battle in futility! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted October 12, 2021 Author Share Posted October 12, 2021 On 10/11/2021 at 8:56 AM, buddha said: recency bias. You're dealing with a bunch of 20 year olds, all you have is recent. Think they care about anything before 2010? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 9 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said: You're dealing with a bunch of 20 year olds, all you have is recent. Think they care about anything before 2010? ok guy who says they still remember some vibe that dantonio supposedly started a decade ago... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted October 13, 2021 Author Share Posted October 13, 2021 15 minutes ago, buddha said: ok guy who says they still remember some vibe that dantonio supposedly started a decade ago... But the kids playing now actually remember that time, they were 9/10 years old and it was probably when they started becoming real fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 24 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said: But the kids playing now actually remember that time, they were 9/10 years old and it was probably when they started becoming real fans. i doubt 3/4 of the players on that team remember michigan state when they were 9 or 10. especially the ones from out of state. people outside the state of michigan dont pay attention to the things coaches do or say in college football rivalries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted October 13, 2021 Author Share Posted October 13, 2021 1 minute ago, buddha said: i doubt 3/4 of the players on that team remember michigan state when they were 9 or 10. especially the ones from out of state. people outside the state of michigan dont pay attention to the things coaches do or say in college football rivalries. But The Team The Team The Team worked for a long time after Bo said it. You said Dantonio started the narrative, and these things can find of feed themselves for awhile. At some point Dantonio just checked out. But Tucker's is bringing that back, he's using that "they don't think you're as good as them" thing. You can't see that? The last time I saw Michigan get really fired up was Lloyd's last game. There's sort of been some little flashes here and there, but Michigan has not had an edge, a nasty edge, for a very long time. Throwing a spike in the ground at MSU's stadium was just stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted October 13, 2021 Author Share Posted October 13, 2021 I did like seeing the Michigan team do the whole Jump Around thing at Wisconsin with as much intensity as the crowd. That's something I haven't seen in a long time and I think it gave them an edge, or at least it took that edge away from Wisconsin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said: But The Team The Team The Team worked for a long time after Bo said it. You said Dantonio started the narrative, and these things can find of feed themselves for awhile. At some point Dantonio just checked out. But Tucker's is bringing that back, he's using that "they don't think you're as good as them" thing. You can't see that? The last time I saw Michigan get really fired up was Lloyd's last game. There's sort of been some little flashes here and there, but Michigan has not had an edge, a nasty edge, for a very long time. Throwing a spike in the ground at MSU's stadium was just stupid. did it? or did they just have a really strong recruiting base and series of good football coaches in Moeller and Carr (at least before Carr got bored). I know it's all the psycho-drama stuff that makes sports interesting, but TBH I think it all pales compared to the three things that dominate a football team's success: recruiting, coaching, and injury luck. Sure coaches use all kinds of material for motivation, but if if it's a good coach he'll make up his own new slogan if the one on the wall when he gets there doesn't do anything for him. Edited October 13, 2021 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 On 10/11/2021 at 7:35 AM, Motor City Sonics said: Yes, they always do. Every year. They still feed off that vibe that Dantonio started of them being disrespected compared to Michigan and it has given them an edge over the years. Not every year, but more often than not. It just means more to them and I still don't think Michigan truly respects them as a rival. Look at last year's game. Michigan was a heavy favorite and they were sleepwalking into that game and Mel Tucker showed up in Ann Arbor and his team punched the Wolverines right in the mouth and Michigan had no response to it. mcs, YOU said dantonio started it, not me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 12 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said: I did like seeing the Michigan team do the whole Jump Around thing at Wisconsin with as much intensity as the crowd. That's something I haven't seen in a long time and I think it gave them an edge, or at least it took that edge away from Wisconsin. Apparently they did something similar in Nebraska. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 2 hours ago, romad1 said: Apparently they did something similar in Nebraska. some of these are pieces of a more universal college culture - stuff than transcends any particular teams or games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordstanley Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 Nebraska didnt look great today. But I think Iowa's 17-point thumping by Purdue at home this afternoon will result in Michigan passing both Iowa and Penn St in the polls to move up to #6 in the AP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 2 hours ago, lordstanley said: Nebraska didnt look great today. But I think Iowa's 17-point thumping by Purdue at home this afternoon will result in Michigan passing both Iowa and Penn St in the polls to move up to #6 in the AP. and the ranks of the overrated unbeatens is trimmed again. michigan-michigan state in two weeks will result in the next unbeaten fraud to lose. neither michigan or michigan state is a serious contender. and lets be honest, its georgia, ohio state and bama this year. clemson sucks (haha, poor dabo, all that money spent and they couldnt buy a decent offensive lineman?). oklahoma isnt any good. penn state, michigan, michigan state, and iowa are all frauds. cincinnati cant hang with the big three this year. yes bama lost, but that was a tough game and this isnt a vintage bama line. still, its enough to beat most every team out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 So MSU didn't get across mid-field until the 3rd quarter? That should give Tucker a lot for his team to work on over the by week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 23 minutes ago, buddha said: and the ranks of the overrated unbeatens is trimmed again. michigan-michigan state in two weeks will result in the next unbeaten fraud to lose. neither michigan or michigan state is a serious contender. and lets be honest, its georgia, ohio state and bama this year. clemson sucks (haha, poor dabo, all that money spent and they couldnt buy a decent offensive lineman?). oklahoma isnt any good. penn state, michigan, michigan state, and iowa are all frauds. cincinnati cant hang with the big three this year. yes bama lost, but that was a tough game and this isnt a vintage bama line. still, its enough to beat most every team out there. I agree, even though both Ohio State and Bama lost I think they are the best 2 teams after Georgia. If Penn State's QB is healthy I think they could give Ohio State a battle but otherwise I think it's going to come down to those 3 teams again like it seemingly always does but alteast there's no Clemson this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 10 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said: I agree, even though both Ohio State and Bama lost I think they are the best 2 teams after Georgia. If Penn State's QB is healthy I think they could give Ohio State a battle but otherwise I think it's going to come down to those 3 teams again like it seemingly always does but alteast there's no Clemson this time. oklahoma will get in and get beat by 50. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 11 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: So MSU didn't get across mid-field until the 3rd quarter? That should give Tucker a lot for his team to work on over the by week. The offense was disrespectful of the Defense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordstanley Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 (edited) Did you hear how the Ole Miss-Tennessee game ended. No, not the golf ball at Lane Kiffin. AFTER that. Tennessee got the ball back, QB got hurt with 18 seconds to go, JOE MILTON comes in, with the ball at the 21 for the final play of the game he runs it and runs out of bounds at the 8 after time expired, lol. Edited October 17, 2021 by lordstanley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 2 hours ago, romad1 said: The offense was disrespectful of the Defense I didn't get to see the game but looking at the stats and reporting M fans have to feel better about their chances. Assuming McNamara doesn't lose his starting gig next week, MSU will be a good game to have a QB with a very low interception rate.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 19 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: I didn't get to see the game but looking at the stats and reporting M fans have to feel better about their chances. Assuming McNamara doesn't lose his starting gig next week, MSU will be a good game to have a QB with a very low interception rate.... nebraska outgained msu by over 200 yards. they only won because nebraska shanked a punt. otoh, rutgers dominated michigan in the second half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordstanley Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 14 hours ago, buddha said: and the ranks of the overrated unbeatens is trimmed again. michigan-michigan state in two weeks will result in the next unbeaten fraud to lose. neither michigan or michigan state is a serious contender. I don’t disagree. But split against MSU-Penn State, win the other 3 like they should, go into Ohio St game 10-1, lose, and get sent to a 50/50 bowl game. A 10 or 11 win season is at the upper range of what Michigan fans should expect and if Harbaugh does that as often or not the admin will be happy, IMO (of course his next 11 win season at Michigan will be his first 11 win season at Michigan). 14 hours ago, buddha said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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