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05/02/2023 1:40 pm EDT New York Mets vs Detroit Tigers


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2 minutes ago, SoCalTiger said:

Going to be a bad series. Miggy knew this so he got sick..of thinking about Max and Ver most likely.

The Mets have a loaded lineup that will blow up a lot of pitchers. And offenses need to do more than these guys have done thus far to keep up.

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2 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

I simply refuse to believe this dude's family birth surname is legit "Yacabonis" somebody along the line just had to completely make that up. 

Just to follow this up I decided to google that name and from what I can gather only 8 people in the entire world have that last name so yeah maybe I was right about his Grandparents just making up a last name and deciding to stick with it. 

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20 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

Just to follow this up I decided to google that name and from what I can gather only 8 people in the entire world have that last name so yeah maybe I was right about his Grandparents just making up a last name and deciding to stick with it. 

Right, because all eight of them are in the United States.

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You see successful organizations get production out of top draft picks. They also get production out of 'found money' prospcects who come out of nowhere.

Tigers are getting below average/bad production from their top prospects and no found money outliers. It's a confluence of bad development, bad luck, and an owner who can't be shamed into to doing anything about it.

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1 minute ago, kdog said:

You see successful organizations get production out of top draft picks. They also get production out of 'found money' prospcects who come out of nowhere.

Tigers are getting below average/bad production from their top prospects and no found money outliers. It's a confluence of bad development, bad luck, and an owner who can't be shamed into to doing anything about it.

Bad luck is the residue of bad design.

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1 minute ago, kdog said:

Tigers are getting below average/bad production from their top prospects and no found money outliers. It's a confluence of bad development, bad luck, and an owner who can't be shamed into to doing anything about it.

Hence why the last GM was canned.

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2 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Bad luck is the residue of bad design.

Bad design prevents Greene and Torkelson from league average(.700 OPS)? They can't even be neutral players. They are both bad hitters at this point. Both were sure things to be at least decent.

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1 minute ago, mtutiger said:

Hence why the last GM was canned.

I would also stipulate that Chris Ilitch was definitely shamed into canning Al Avila, too, not because Avila was incompetent per se, but because his incompetence was (finally) making Baby Doc look bad. It didn’t matter so much that the team was losing and the organizational infrastructure dissolved into shambles as long as the money kept rolling in, but once the national writers, led by Ken Rosenthal god bless him, started absolutely filleting the the entire organization from the owner on down,  that’s what finally got the owner to act.

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Bad design is needing Greene and Tork to be all stars immediately to save your job. They might have saved Al if they were average players last year.

Bad luck is Skubal and Mize getting hurt and Greene/Tork being below replacment level hitters.

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2 minutes ago, kdog said:

Bad design prevents Greene and Torkelson from league average(.700 OPS)? They can't even be neutral players. They are both bad hitters at this point. Both were sure things to be at least decent.

Yes. Bad design led to the bad developmental processes that led to their once-great and promising hitting going down the toilet. We are only one regular season month beyond it now, and in no universe was all of it going to be totally fixed by now. We can blame the players for it all if we like—that’s a fan’s prerogative. Me, I’m going to give them until next year to start showing us the consistency we have been counting on them to provide us. If they’re still like this by the end of next season, I’ll jump on your bandwagon.

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3 minutes ago, kdog said:

Bad design is needing Greene and Tork to be all stars immediately to save your job. They might have saved Al if they were average players last year.

Bad luck is Skubal and Mize getting hurt and Greene/Tork being below replacment level hitters.

Do we know that Skubal and Mize weren’t hurt because of the prior regime’s poor processes? I don’t I think I know that.

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Just now, chasfh said:

I would also stipulate that Chris Ilitch was definitely shamed into canning Al Avila, too, not because Avila was incompetent per se, but because his incompetence was (finally) making Baby Doc look bad. It didn’t matter so much that the team was losing and the organizational infrastructure dissolved into shambles as long as the money kept rolling in, but once the national writers, led by Ken Rosenthal god bless him, started absolutely filleting the the entire organization from the owner on down,  that’s what finally got the owner to act.

I mean, yeah, that's probably the case, at least to an extent.

I think you and I are probably more in alignment on this than others around here, but they were never fixing all the systemic problems in one offseason.

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