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27 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said:

wife just ran Washington Post calculator, if this passes we will make $19K more while the MAGA poors pay more

We do come out a little ahead although nothing like this.

I don’t want to come out ahead in that way. I would give it all back to at least go back to how it was.

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28 minutes ago, chasfh said:

We do come out a little ahead although nothing like this.

I don’t want to come out ahead in that way. I would give it all back to at least go back to how it was.

Same here.  I will mostly come out a little bit ahead, but not enough where it's going to make my life any better.  I don't need a break.  Give the same break to someone else who can use it.  

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24 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

Same here.  I will mostly come out a little bit ahead, but not enough where it's going to make my life any better.  I don't need a break.  Give the same break to someone else who can use it.  

Same here, but it’s not worth it. My parents are worried about my disabled sister losing her Medicare. 

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As a fiscal conservative, I have never been against a bill that might cause pain, if it could provide a clear path to helping set up the next generation for success.  This is the exact opposite of that.  I purposefully tried to find conservative media's take on this and for the ones that talked about the nuts and bolts of this bill and not just the republican talking points, none of them liked this.  Absolutely horrid.

 

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17 hours ago, chasfh said:

Red hats will soil themselves laughing when they hear this. They think **** like this is hilarious.

This is exactly what they voted for. 

 

Yes, HRC was 100% correct about there being a basket of deplorables. 

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1 hour ago, ewsieg said:

As a fiscal conservative, I have never been against a bill that might cause pain, if it could provide a clear path to helping set up the next generation for success.  This is the exact opposite of that.  I purposefully tried to find conservative media's take on this and for the ones that talked about the nuts and bolts of this bill and not just the republican talking points, none of them liked this.  Absolutely horrid.

 

All due respect, most of the rest of us could see very clearly that it was always coming to this, that it was only about the super rich getting the money and the rest of us getting the shaft. How many recent “respectable” Republican presidents (and Clinton) provided the uber-rich generous tax cuts while ballooning the deficit at the same time? It’s true—you can easily look it up. Here, I’ll even get you started on the first one: https://www.cbpp.org/research/the-legacy-of-the-2001-and-2003-bush-tax-cuts.

The main thing that makes the Trump tax cuts different is that added feature of cruelty to poor people for sport.

 

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18 hours ago, chasfh said:

Red hats will soil themselves laughing when they hear this. They think **** like this is hilarious.

This is exactly what they voted for. 

 

I only just noticed the line "Welcome to CECOT. Whoever enters here doesn't leave." 

The first prisoners at Auschwitz were told the only way out is through the chimney. 

Seems oddly similar.

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8 hours ago, chasfh said:

Except eventually whiteness alone is not going to save anyone.

If you aren’t the full package of white, male, Christian, cishet, ablebodied, neurotypical, wealthy, *and* 100% MAGA-loyal and compliant, you are completely and utterly expendable to the current US regime. 

They’ll use you if they are able, for their own benefit or to weaponize you against other Others, and if/when they can’t they’ll feed you to the gators, literally or metaphorically, without blinking. Don’t kid yourself that they won’t.

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Just now, GalagaGuy said:

Based on the evidence,  Garcia was running illegals into the country for his boss so I guess I'm just lost as to why I'm supposed to give a crap about him. 

So people say. Without being charged or even going to court, let's just throw him in a foreign prison? This argument doesn't hold water. 

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1 minute ago, Sports_Freak said:

So people say. Without being charged or even going to court, let's just throw him in a foreign prison? This argument doesn't hold water. 

I never said the administration did things the right way.  That said, he was here illegally, had a final order of deportation and is on policy body cam with an envelope full of money and a vehicle full of illegals.   He deserves little to no sympathy. 

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4 hours ago, ewsieg said:

As a fiscal conservative, I have never been against a bill that might cause pain, if it could provide a clear path to helping set up the next generation for success.  This is the exact opposite of that.  I purposefully tried to find conservative media's take on this and for the ones that talked about the nuts and bolts of this bill and not just the republican talking points, none of them liked this.  Absolutely horrid.

 

Even people with good insurance will feel the effects of this. Hospitals will be losing so much money, they'll be forced to shut down. MAGA doesn't realize that people won't be going to a primary doctor so their problems will get worse and worse. That will get them to emergency room where the law says they HAVE to be treated. And since they can't pay, the people who can pay will be forced to make up the difference. That $35 x-ray will be costing $300. IF they can find a hospital that isn't closed. It may be 100 miles away with a 5 hour wait. So good insurance? Kinda useless...

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6 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

I never said the administration did things the right way.  That said, he was here illegally, had a final order of deportation and is on policy body cam with an envelope full of money and a vehicle full of illegals.   He deserves little to no sympathy. 

Was he charged? In jail waiting for a court date? Or just found guilty by Fox News "experts?"

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4 hours ago, ewsieg said:

As a fiscal conservative, I have never been against a bill that might cause pain, if it could provide a clear path to helping set up the next generation for success.  This is the exact opposite of that.  I purposefully tried to find conservative media's take on this and for the ones that talked about the nuts and bolts of this bill and not just the republican talking points, none of them liked this.  Absolutely horrid.

 

The way this is going to mess with Medicaid is going to cause a lot of stress, and it will absolutely result in hospitals in rural areas closing. That's pretty much baked in.

God have mercy on their souls, because I do not.

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8 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

I never said the administration did things the right way.  That said, he was here illegally, had a final order of deportation and is on policy body cam with an envelope full of money and a vehicle full of illegals.   He deserves little to no sympathy. 

I believe in humanity and have empathy, so even if he’s committed the things that he’s been accused of the cruel punishment doesn’t fit the crime. To not give a crap what happens to him is wrong. 

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14 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

Based on the evidence,  Garcia was running illegals into the country for his boss so I guess I'm just lost as to why I'm supposed to give a crap about him. 

You said based on the evidence? What evidence was presented? The only "evidence" i hear is hearsay. Noting was ever disclosed in any court. He wasn't even arrested. But the court of public opinion was enough to send him to a foreign gulag. Yeah, America...

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8 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

Was he charged? In jail waiting for a court date? Or just found guilty by Fox News "experts?"

Again, he had a final order of deportation.  Take everything else out of the equation and he still wasn't supposed to be here. 

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4 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

You said based on the evidence? What evidence was presented? The only "evidence" i hear is hearsay. Noting was ever disclosed in any court. He wasn't even arrested. But the court of public opinion was enough to send him to a foreign gulag. Yeah, America...

The police bodycam was made public.  It is blatantly obvious what's going on in it. 

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