Trumps Presidency 2025

[CMRivdogs]

2 hours ago, Tigerbomb13 said:

What the living hell?

Fattened on beef and smoothies. Sounds like Arby’s meets Jamba Juice

[Mr.TaterSalad]

Do you eat a smoothie? I guess you can because it exists in a state between a pure solid and a pure liquid. Do turkey's get fed smoothies though? Maybe a turkey gets a taste for a Jamocha Shake or one of those strawberry-lemon smoothies or the power mixes from LaShish in Dearborn (those are amazing).

[CMRivdogs]

1 minute ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Do you eat a smoothie? I guess you can because it exists in a state between a pure solid and a pure liquid. Do turkey's get fed smoothies though? Maybe a turkey gets a taste for a Jamocha Shake or one of those strawberry-lemon smoothies or the power mixes from LaShish in Dearborn (those are amazing).

I consider smoothies a second cousin to a milkshake, depending on where you get it or what you used. Never considered turkeys to be carnorvores.

There used to be, maybe there still is, a turkey farm on Five Mile in Livonia. We bought one for Thanksgiving several years ago. It was pretty good.

[Motown Bombers]

I wonder if “beef to allow” was supposed to be beef tallow? 

[CMRivdogs]

You need the beef tallow to fry the turkeys not fatten them up

[gehringer_2]

5 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

Never considered turkeys to be carnorvores.

depends on whether you consider insects to be meat. 

[romad1]

"Hey Kash! I'm trying to run a clean executive branch here!  This makes everyone in the White House look like grifting stooges whose sole motivation to be in government is raping the taxpayer. "

https://www.ms.now/news/trump-kash-patel-replacing-fbi-director-planes-girlfriend

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Nov. 25, 2025, 1:53 PM EST

By  Carol Leonnig ,  Laura Barrón-López  and  Ken Dilanian

President Donald Trump is considering removing Kash Patel as FBI director in the coming months, as he and his top aides have grown increasingly frustrated by the unflattering headlines Patel has recently generated, according to three people with knowledge of the situation who requested anonymity in order to speak freely.   

 

[gehringer_2]

14 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

it exists in a state between a pure solid and a pure liquid.

technically the state is called a 'Bingham Plastic', which is a liquid which is immobile under low shear stress but will start to flow as higher stress is applied. Basically like toothpaste. This is a common state for foods that are emulsions - like mayo, or have high solids content like peanut butter. 

(fun with fluid mechanics 402).

[gehringer_2]

On 11/24/2025 at 4:06 PM, romad1 said:

Clowns 

apparently it was the GOP Congresscritters who objected big time.  The funny thing is that since all Trump wants to do is be the hero - he's probably perfectly happy to double down in the same direction as Obama and spend even more money, as long as it get his name on the program. The GOP grinches, who are more in thrall to the big money conservative and corporate anti-tax donors, still want desperately to kill any thing like ACA that could eventually lead to a same public medical system in the US.

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, romad1 said:

"Hey Kash! I'm trying to run a clean executive branch here!  This makes everyone in the White House look like grifting stooges whose sole motivation to be in government is raping the taxpayer. "

https://www.ms.now/news/trump-kash-patel-replacing-fbi-director-planes-girlfriend

 

In the Venn diagram that includes blind loyalty and professional competence, the circles barely touch.

[Tigerbomb13]

 

[Edman85]

4 hours ago, Tigerbomb13 said:

 

 

Just nit picking a bit, but this doesn't appear to be apples to oranges, since it compares 12 months of 2024 to 9 months of 2025. I would suspect there are some typical Q4 spikes in this particular metric given temp hiring around the Holidays or even Holiday bonuses kicking in.

[romad1]

He's lost it

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-ballroom-2674343765/

'Veered into micromanagement': Rift between Trump and White House ballroom architect grows

[gehringer_2]

11 hours ago, Edman85 said:

I would suspect there are some typical Q4 spikes in this particular metric given temp hiring around the Holidays or even Holiday bonuses kicking in.

Fair critique. If he had averaged just the comparable months the diff would still be there but smaller.

OTOH, some/many BLS numbers are already seasonally adjusted to account for exactly that kind of effect, so most of that should be normalized out, but I'm not taking the time to research where Rattner came up with these particular values.

Edited yesterday at 03:07 PM by gehringer_2

[Mr.TaterSalad]

18 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

I wonder if “beef to allow” was supposed to be beef tallow? 

He's so ****ing stupid who knows. I am guessing that probably is what he meant. Kennedy has been pushing something though, in beef tallow, that Trump likely doesn't have a clue what it actually is.

[Motown Bombers]

 

[GalagaGuy]

Criminal conviction or not, they're still in the country without authorization.  While I don't agree with the aggressive tactics, ICE still has the right to arrest and deport people who shouldn't be here, do they not? 

[CMRivdogs]

Short answer, yes the may arrest people in the states illegally. I.E Proper and legal warrants and the arrests are made on a legal bases. They do not have the authority to arrest anyone off the street just because they think they can.  

[Hongbit]

13 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

Criminal conviction or not, they're still in the country without authorization.  While I don't agree with the aggressive tactics, ICE still has the right to arrest and deport people who shouldn't be here, do they not? 

Question: Do you believe that a person in this country without authorization has a right to due process before being deported?     

[CMRivdogs]

4 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

Question: Do you believe that a person in this country without authorization has a right to due process before being deported?     

Fifth Amendment of the U-S Constitution...

No person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law.”

 

It does not say “citizens.”

It does not say “lawful residents.”

It says persons, meaning anyone physically inside U.S. territory, regardless of immigration status.

 

This has been upheld repeatedly by the Supreme Court since the 1800s.

Edited yesterday at 05:43 PM by CMRivdogs

[CMRivdogs]

2 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

Fifth Amendment of the U-S Constitution...

No person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law.”

 

It does not say “citizens.”

It does not say “lawful residents.”

It says persons, meaning anyone physically inside U.S. territory, regardless of immigration status.

 

This has been upheld repeatedly by the Supreme Court since the 1800s.

Relying on Chatgpt

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Supreme Court rulings make this explicit

 

 

 

Yamataya v. Fisher (1903) — “The Japanese Immigrant Case”

 

 

The Supreme Court held:

 

Even someone who entered illegally

Must receive due process before removal

 

 

The government can deport people—but only through “fair procedures.”

 

 

Zadvydas v. Davis (2001)

 

 

Court ruled:

 

The government cannot detain immigrants indefinitely

Due process applies even to people who never had lawful status

 

 

 

Plyler v. Doe (1982)

 

 

Court reaffirmed:

 

Undocumented immigrants are “persons” under the Constitution

They enjoy basic constitutional protections

 

 

[Tigerbomb13]

Hopefully we can hold these people accountable at some point. 

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, Hongbit said:

Question: Do you believe that a person in this country without authorization has a right to due process before being deported?     

This gets a little more complex that either side admits to. Just because you cross the border, you do not immediately gain the right to anything like full process prior to removal. People caught in close proximity to the border either in time or space are now immediately sent back ("expedited removal") without a hearing and the courts have let that stand. And you  can argue that in such a case the person is not being deprived of anything and so has no claim. 

[Tigeraholic1]

11 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

This gets a little more complex that either side admits to. Just because you cross the border, you do not immediately gain the right to anything like full process prior to removal. People caught in close proximity to the border either in time or space are now immediately sent back ("expedited removal") without a hearing and the courts have let that stand. And you  can argue that in such a case the person is not being deprived of anything and so has no claim. 

This right here.

[gehringer_2]

5 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

This right here.

While I posted this, I also think it's unconscionable to suddenly decide to uproot people who have been here for years and built a life,  that for years we never took the time or effort to be bothered with. I think of it sort of like a common law marriage after any number of years. Time and space absolutely creates/changes the reality of what is just.

Edited yesterday at 07:19 PM by gehringer_2