Trumps Presidency 2025

[Tigerbomb13]

I know a lot leftists and not a single one didn’t vote for Harris 

[Motown Bombers]

 

 

Edited 11 hours ago by Motown Bombers

[LaceyLou]

1 hour ago, GalagaGuy said:

Rules are rules, no sense in getting upset now.  People should have thought of all this before voting for a stupid convicted felon, voting third party, or not voting at all.   Guess them protest votes were a bad idea after all, huh? 

Not sure why you're directing this at me, but since you are I, and all of the other people I know IRL, voted for Harris.

And in any case, those opposed to his policies still have the right to object to them and protest, just as those in the minority party still have the right to try to convince members of the majority party to vote differently. At least they used to. 

Come to think of it, even those who voted for him have the right to protest about policies they disagree with. Again, at least they used to. 

First they came for the immigrants.... I think we all know how this poem ends.

 

 

[LaceyLou]

23 minutes ago, Tigerbomb13 said:

I know a lot leftists and not a single one didn’t vote for Harris 

Same. 

[GalagaGuy]

3 minutes ago, LaceyLou said:

Not sure why you're directing this at me, but since you are I, and all of the other people I know IRL, voted for Harris.

And in any case, those opposed to his policies still have the right to object to them and protest, just as those in the minority party still have the right to try to convince members of the majority party to vote differently. At least they used to. 

Come to think of it, even those who voted for him have the right to protest about policies they disagree with. Again, at least they used to. 

First they came for the immigrants.... I think we all know how this poem ends.

 

 

I'm not directing anything at you, I simply responded to you since you directed comments towards me.   

 

Question for you, is there a difference between an immigrant with legal status and one without?  Seems to me that you're not just defending people who are here legally but also those who have decided to ignore the rules and remain here illegally. 

[Motown Bombers]

I'm still at a loss on how chasing tomato pickers through the fields benefits anyone, but rules are rules. 

[gehringer_2]

9 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

I'm not directing anything at you, I simply responded to you since you directed comments towards me.   

 

Question for you, is there a difference between an immigrant with legal status and one without?  Seems to me that you're not just defending people who are here legally but also those who have decided to ignore the rules and remain here illegally. 

but that's the joke isn't it. I'm a poor Salvadoran and my command of the US legal system is a little shaky - explain to me how I go to work everyday, get paid, my employer actually wants to employ me exactly because of who I am and is celebrated in the economy for it.  I move completely freely - the government even takes my taxes. All this on one hand - but over here on the other hand I am an illegal person? How exactly does this work.

When the whole economy aids, abets, encourages, even supports people to be doing what they are doing and then holds a legal club over their head (deportation) to be used only if they upset the system by any kind of assertion of dignity, you tell me which side is abusing any consistent concept of law or equal justice?

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[GalagaGuy]

1 minute ago, gehringer_2 said:

but that's the joke isn't it. I'm a poor Salvadoran and my command of the US legal system is a little shaky - explain to me how I go to work everyday, get paid, my employer actually wants to employ me exactly because of who I am and is celebrated in the economy for it.  I move completely freely - the government even takes my taxes. All this on one hand - but over here on the other hand I am an illegal person? How exactly does this work.

When the whole economy aids, abets, encourages, even supports people to be doing what they are doing and then holds a club over their head (deportation) to be used only if they upset the system by any kind of assertion of dignity, who tell me which side is abusing any concept of law or equal justice?

I've already said that the system is broken and that employers need to be held responsible.  What's your argument here, that because the system doesn't work, it's okay if people completely ignore it?  

[LaceyLou]

3 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

I'm not directing anything at you, I simply responded to you since you directed comments towards me.   

 

Question for you, is there a difference between an immigrant with legal status and one without?  Seems to me that you're not just defending people who are here legally but also those who have decided to ignore the rules and remain here illegally. 

To me, it's not black and white. As at least one poster said (Motown Bombers, maybe?) it's not as easy to come here as it used to be. There are people who came here quickly because they were in a dire situation in their home countries. There are people who were brought here as young children who have no memory of their home countries. Or, they've put down roots and no longer have a life anywhere but here. Many of them are pillars of their communities and we're better off with them than without them. So perhaps the only real difference is that the ones with legal status were fortunate enough to be able to obtain permission to stay.

In many cases-yes, I'm defending them. Though TBH Oblong said it better than I can in a post from earlier today.

 

[chasfh]

6 hours ago, GalagaGuy said:

Many of the people being arrested have final orders of deportation.  That means they had their day in court and still people on the left freak out when they get taken away.   I don't get it, does the USA not have the right to enforce any immigration laws at all?  

Are we sure that means they had their day in court? Because we have seen innumerable examples of people shipped off to El Salvador without any day in court.

[LaceyLou]

13 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

I'm still at a loss on how chasing tomato pickers through the fields benefits anyone, but rules are rules. 

I'm suddenly getting a picture of Frank Burns thinking that a kimchi pot is a bomb.

[chasfh]

5 hours ago, CMRivdogs said:

As usual every Trump does is half assed. 

If by "half-assed" you mean poorly thought out, then I would argue that Trump's deportation strategy is actually whole-assed, i.e., well thought out, because the entire point of the strategy is the overt performative cruelty, lack of which apparently made Obama and Biden look weak. To Trump and the red hats, it's not about the numbers—it's about the anecdotes.

Edited 11 hours ago by chasfh

[chasfh]

3 hours ago, Tigerbomb13 said:

The grifts are non stop

As will be the surveillance on these tattletale devices.

[Tiger337]

20 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

I'm not directing anything at you, I simply responded to you since you directed comments towards me.   

 

Question for you, is there a difference between an immigrant with legal status and one without?  Seems to me that you're not just defending people who are here legally but also those who have decided to ignore the rules and remain here illegally. 

I look at the person, not their status.  If an immigrant is working hard, contributing to society and not harming anyone, then I don't care how they got here.  Undocumented status does not at all suggest to me that someone is a bad person or harmful to society.  Most immigrants don't come here to start trouble or to take advantage of us.  They come here because they left bad situations and want to make a better life for themselves and their families.  Once they get that, they are not going to turn themselves in and be returned to hell.  They are going to take a chance of not getting caught.  I am pretty sure you would too.  

That is not to say I want "open borders".  That would cause all kinds of logistics problems.  What I would like to see is a better immigration system moving forward.  

[Tiger337]

7 minutes ago, chasfh said:

If by "half-assed" you mean poorly thought out, then I would argue that Trump's deportation strategy is actually whole-assed, i.e., well thought out, because the entire point of the strategy is the overt performative cruelty, lack of which apparently made Obama and Biden look weak. To Trump and the red hats, it's not about the numbers—it's about the anecdotes.

Just because somebody is half assed by nature does not mean they can't do something half ass.  

[gehringer_2]

20 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

I've already said that the system is broken and that employers need to be held responsible.  What's your argument here, that because the system doesn't work, it's okay if people completely ignore it?  

My point is that merely arbitrarily deporting people doesn't get you any closer to fixing the broken system. The country has a decision to make if it's going to maintain any moral consistency. We must either stop employers from hiring illegals (and bear the cost increases that will follow), which would pretty much end the influx of economic refugees (the vast majority) in about 10 minutes, or we legalize the people that are here and set up a system that gives enough people to keep agriculture or whatever else that need to keep going a way to come here and become citizens.

Everything else is 🐮💩

[gehringer_2]

10 minutes ago, chasfh said:

If by "half-assed" you mean poorly thought out, then I would argue that Trump's deportation strategy is actually whole-assed, i.e., well thought out, because the entire point of the strategy is the overt performative cruelty, lack of which apparently made Obama and Biden look weak. To Trump and the red hats, it's not about the numbers—it's about the anecdotes.

Exactly. With Trump and Miller, the GOP is the dog that caught the UPS Truck. TPTB don't  want numbers deported, they only want the show and the issue with the proles.

[chasfh]

11 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

Just because somebody is half assed by nature does not mean they can't do something whole-assed.  

fixed

[smr-nj]

Am I seeing that Trump arrived in Canada for the G7 wearing a MAGA hat?

How utterly embarrassing 

[mtutiger]

1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said:

My point is that merely arbitrarily deporting people doesn't get you any closer to fixing the broken system. The country has a decision to make if it's going to maintain any moral consistency. We must either stop employers from hiring illegals (and bear the cost increases that will follow), which would pretty much end the influx of economic refugees (the vast majority) in about 10 minutes, or we legalize the people that are here and set up a system that gives enough people to keep agriculture or whatever else that need to keep going a way to come here and become citizens.

Everything else is 🐮💩

I've said it a bunch back around the beginning of the year when Tigeraholic was still showing up, the big problem with immigration as a political issue in this country is that there is really little consensus on what the problem actually is.

Most Americans want a more secure border. But beyond this very narrow part of the puzzle, is the issue that we have an archaic immigration system that cannot handle the adjudication or processing of those trying to enter this country? Same question in regards to asylum claims as well? Or is the issue that we just shouldn't have more immigration at all?

The administration, represented by Stephen Miller, comes down on the side of the latter question... And for as much as immigration was helpful during the last election and to the extent on the very narrow question of the border they still have an advantage politically, they are starting to lose ground beyond the border issue and into the adjudication issues because Americans largely DO NOT come down on the side of the latter question.... 

The same goes for those that are already here.... nobody wants criminals who are illegal, but the public has much more circumspect views on deporting a bunch of law abiding immigrants without due process. It shouldn't be surprising to anybody.

Edited 9 hours ago by mtutiger

[chasfh]

 

[mtutiger]

1 hour ago, Tiger337 said:

I look at the person, not their status.  If an immigrant is working hard, contributing to society and not harming anyone, then I don't care how they got here.  Undocumented status does not at all suggest to me that someone is a bad person or harmful to society.  Most immigrants don't come here to start trouble or to take advantage of us.  They come here because they left bad situations and want to make a better life for themselves and their families.  Once they get that, they are not going to turn themselves in and be returned to hell.  They are going to take a chance of not getting caught.  I am pretty sure you would too.  

That is not to say I want "open borders".  That would cause all kinds of logistics problems.  What I would like to see is a better immigration system moving forward.  

In some cases, there are people who were brought here through no fault of their own, as unemancipated minors (ie. DACA kids). This administration treats these individuals just like everybody else, and on a moral level, it is just wrong.

There's no sugar coating it. A person shouldn't be locked up and sent to El Salvador or Libya or wherever under any circumstances, but this is especially true of people who ended up here through no fault of their own. Seems like a pretty obvious point.

[chasfh]

This is a huge break for this Boelter guy, because now it puts him in line for a pardon. 

 

[chasfh]

BTW, I wanted to find a Bluesky post for this one above, but this is what i get while searching for everything, even the most common topic. It hasn't been for just a few minutes, either—it's been days.

 

[mtutiger]

There's a lot going on here, from him fumbling the papers, to the papers being blank sheets, to him mistakenly referring to the EU instead of the UK. To Kier Starmer wishing he were anywhere else.

Edited 9 hours ago by mtutiger