Trumps Presidency 2025

[Kacie]

8 hours ago, chasfh said:

Close—Biden was elected because he was a white guy who wasn't Trump.

Biden was elected because Trump, the Republicans and Russians didn't plan for the Covid influenced mail in/early voting.

[Sports_Freak]

2 hours ago, Tigerbomb13 said:

Hitler Youth

So....Joe Biden can apply to be an ICE officer? 🤣🤣

[Tiger337]

12 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

So....Joe Biden can apply to be an ICE officer? 🤣🤣

Trump too, but he'd be too chicken.

 

[Sports_Freak]

3 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

Trump too, but he'd be too chicken.

 

I read somewhere that the Big Beautiful Bill has more money to spend on ICE that any country spends on their defense budget. They have money to build concentration camps in all the red states. Trump even signed an EO making being homeless a crime. Over 3 more years of this, will America survive?

[chasfh]

22 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

I think Trump exposed the Republican Party more than he changed it. He allowed everyone to be their worst selves publicly. It is now OK to be public with your thought privately. They've realized they're not alone. Many of the principled Republicans who weren't these people, Cheney, Kinzinger, Romney, are gone. 

I think this is partially right. There was a fair amount of fascism already baked into the very conservative precepts of the modern Republican Party, such as performative patriotism; the elevation of religion and the military in civilian life; the scapegoating of certain groups of people considered outsiders; corporate control of the national economy in conjunction with the government; and maybe a few others. Cheney, Kinzinger, and Romney at least benefited from all this, if not driving it themselves entirely, and even though they basically left the party, a lot of their fellows who travel along these lines have stuck around.

Then the other elements of fascism really came to the fore in in the past decade—the authoritarian leadership; the desire to suppress dissent; the whitewashing of history; the mass propaganda rallies; the rejection of liberal democracy, pluralism, and individual rights—which I believe drew a new element into the Republican party that had been completely outside of it, where they were considered oddballs and kooks at best, and dangerous actors at worst. They were not already in the party, which they considered part of the liberal order they wanted to topple, but now that the party has embraced the fascism completely, these dangerous elements have found a home within where they now have a veneer of respectability and gravitas they could never have had before.

So I think it's both Trump exposing and highlighting certain noxious aspects of the Republican Party, and the elevation of those aspects and the embrace of other fascist aspects that has attracted extremist outsiders who'd never felt welcome there before. 

[oblong]

He also exposed the basic idea that it's ok to be wrong.  To lie.  It really doesn't matter anymore.  You can say the earth is flat and there will be a place for you in public life as long as the voters pick you.  The media, what's left of it, will go along.  

Years ago, I pointed out a historical coincidence. 

In 1952 The GOP Nominee picked Richard Nixon as his running mate.  He mainstreamed the concept of dirty politics and his legacy shaped Washington for decades.

28 years later, the GOP Nominee picked George HW Bush as his running mate.  He himself was tame and didn't do much but without that I doubt his son Dubya becomes TX Governor and President.  The affects of the Iraq War are still being felt 20 years later and it changed things for generations

28 years later the GOP Nominee picked Sarah Palin as his running mate.  They didn't win and she didn't really do much after.  But what she mainstreamed was the backlash against making fun of stupid people in office.  She was an airhead.  Ignorance became a badge of honor.  If you corrected these people you were called elitist.  The entire Trump presidency today and his cabinet are the ideological descendant of Sarah Palin.  The people who don't read, who believe every conspiracy theory they come across on social media.  Dumb became something valuable.

 

[Dan Gilmore]

You both have it right. I think every generation laments a loss of standards, but this seems different to me. It’s not so much as the standards have been lowered, as they have been flipped to actively promote the behaviors the standards had been established to protect against.

[oblong]

Spiro Agnew would have been able to keep his job in today's environment.  So would have Nixon.  Gary Hart's issues wouldn't have even made the news.  Teddy killing that girl would have been filed away and forgotten. Clinton's womanizing and Whitewater would have not have even been mentioned.  Jimmy Carter's Chief of Staff had to resign b/c he was thought to have done cocaine and stared at a lady's cleavage for too long at a WH party.

Every scandal in since Roosevelt wouldn't make the top 20 Trump scandals and problems. And the odd thing is Roosevelt's big issue, which was hidden, would have been exposed today, his "illness".   It shouldn't be an issue but it would be today.  You think anybody in a wheelchair could get elected?  And Roosevelt's health in 1945 and 1946 was known to be very poor. That's why Truman was selected as VP.  He was seen as weak by the party and they knew they were picking the next POTUS.

[Motown Bombers]

Nah, all the Dem issues would be news. Biden had the horrible scandal of being old. Hilary Clinton and her emails. Kamala Harris and her laugh. Cuomo and Franken got canceled. There are no standards for Republicans anymore. 

[romad1]

21 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Nah, all the Dem issues would be news. Biden had the horrible scandal of being old. Hilary Clinton and her emails. Kamala Harris and her laugh. Cuomo and Franken got canceled. There are no standards for Republicans anymore. 

so long as the corporate leadership of the press outlets is worried about the hammer from the government...or the carrot of some other benefit...democracy is in peril to this President. 

[CMRivdogs]

2 minutes ago, romad1 said:

so long as the corporate leadership of the press outlets is worried about the hammer from the government...or the carrot of some other benefit...democracy is in peril to this President. 

Unfortunately it’s one of the feared outcomes when they repealed the Fairness Doctrine

[ewsieg]

https://archive.ph/YrFmr#selection-1705.137-1725.287

I know I'm in the minority, but I think it would be good for Ukraine to stop this war, even if they lose land.  They just upped their conscription age to 60 years old.  I'm not even 50 and what a joke it would be to put me in combat.

Still, it's too late and Trump can't force Zelensky to abide by a deal he makes with Putin.  Guess you could argue that our mineral rights deal would help protect, but that's overhyped crap from Trump already.  He probably believes those numbers, but once he finds out its not panning out like he was told, there is nothing preventing Trump from tossing it away.

Still, it might give Zelensky and Europe a few years to regroup.  

 

[romad1]

15 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

https://archive.ph/YrFmr#selection-1705.137-1725.287

I know I'm in the minority, but I think it would be good for Ukraine to stop this war, even if they lose land.  They just upped their conscription age to 60 years old.  I'm not even 50 and what a joke it would be to put me in combat.

Still, it's too late and Trump can't force Zelensky to abide by a deal he makes with Putin.  Guess you could argue that our mineral rights deal would help protect, but that's overhyped crap from Trump already.  He probably believes those numbers, but once he finds out its not panning out like he was told, there is nothing preventing Trump from tossing it away.

Still, it might give Zelensky and Europe a few years to regroup.  

 

Stop dressing so slutty Ukraine or Putin will rape you. 

[chasfh]

2 hours ago, romad1 said:

Stop dressing so slutty Ukraine or Putin will rape you. 

Hey, she was askin' for it ...

[Tigermojo]

Trump Tells Purple Heart Recipients: ‘It Wasn’t That Easy for Me Either’

I think the ear injury caused severe brain damage.

[mtutiger]

6 hours ago, oblong said:

He also exposed the basic idea that it's ok to be wrong.  To lie.  It really doesn't matter anymore.  You can say the earth is flat and there will be a place for you in public life as long as the voters pick you.  The media, what's left of it, will go along.  

The byproduct of all of this is that he's made us all cynical. These guys just all suck, they're all corrupt, there's no truth so might as well just put on my foam finger and root for my guy. It's pure unadultered nihilism.

I remember saying something to this effect to Melody (on the last iteration of the board), but all the cynicism and all the defenses that hinge on saying "they're all like that" is a self fulfilling prophecy. If you expect nothing from your government, nothing is all you are ever going to get.

I don't know what to do about that.... I truly believe that most Americans, on an individual level, are better than our current government. Not enough, but a majority anyway. And while I understand all the political science reasons for why he won in 2024, he's governing how he campaigned, and anyone who was really listening to the campaign should have ****ing known better.

[CMRivdogs]

Whelp, this sucks a bit for the local economy on the state's Eastern Shore. It probably doesn't win any votes for the Orange TACO either. Hopefully it will come back to bite the local Congress Critters. 
https://www.wboc.com/news/nasa-employees-notified-of-intention-to-close-wallops-visitor-center/article_ef09f97b-1ed9-45b2-b928-d6d35bcbd44a.html

It's long been a favorite school trip for both Virginia and Maryland

 

[Tigermojo]

Putin's puppet will meet with his master on American soil in Alaska!

[CMRivdogs]

2 minutes ago, Tigermojo said:

Putin's puppet will meet with his master on American soil in Alaska!

Is Ms Palin hosting?

[CMRivdogs]

Just to recap the last few months

 

[CMRivdogs]

Something tells me the Vice Grifter has too much time on his hands. 

 

[mtutiger]

32 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

Something tells me the Vice Grifter has too much time on his hands. 

 

He's come a long way from the 'Holler, that one lol

[CMRivdogs]

2 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

He's come a long way from the 'Holler, that one lol

Once a hick always a hick

[Tigermojo]

Now Trump saying if there is a Great Depression it's because radical left judges rule against his tariffs. Surely his tariffs couldn't cause a depression....

I can't believe the American people aren't on the White House lawn right now.

[Mr.TaterSalad]

1 hour ago, CMRivdogs said:

Something tells me the Vice Grifter has too much time on his hands. 

 

I think he needs to be hammered as an elitist for doing this. Like when Bush's campaign mocked John Kerry for wind surfing back in 2004, JD should be mocked for his phone populism and clear elitism.