gehringer_2 Posted October 4 Posted October 4 2 minutes ago, 4hzglory said: And now Texas loses to a previous 1-3 Florida. there is so much player movement from year to year now that it's bound to take longer than it used to to figure what teams are. Quote
Sports_Freak Posted October 4 Posted October 4 MSU has offensive problems. And the play calling is absolutely horrible. Quote
Deleterious Posted October 5 Author Posted October 5 Franklin has an estimated $50 million buyout. PSU is also in the middle of a $700 million stadium renovation. So they would really have to shake those couch cushions to fire him. Quote
MichiganCardinal Posted October 5 Posted October 5 20 minutes ago, Deleterious said: Franklin has an estimated $50 million buyout. PSU is also in the middle of a $700 million stadium renovation. So they would really have to shake those couch cushions to fire him. James Franklin to Jim Harbaugh parallels are interesting. For about six years, Harbaugh had the label of a guy who couldn’t win the big game. Couldn’t beat Ohio State, couldn’t win T10 games, perpetually 10-3, perpetually right on the edge of that elite group unable to break in. It took COVID and nearly getting fired for Harbaugh to turn the corner. Franklin isn’t getting a COVID. And to his credit, outside of 2020, Harbaugh never had a loss like Franklin just had. He only lost twice to unranked teams. Once was a rivalry game in an 8-5 year to MSU and the other was his Michigan debut against an Utah team that ended the season 10-3. I don’t think they should fire Franklin. But I do think he should be on as thin of ice as Harbaugh was on entering 2021. Quote
Deleterious Posted October 5 Author Posted October 5 I wasn't really expecting a snow game on October 4th. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted October 5 Posted October 5 35 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said: James Franklin to Jim Harbaugh parallels are interesting. For about six years, Harbaugh had the label of a guy who couldn’t win the big game. Couldn’t beat Ohio State, couldn’t win T10 games, perpetually 10-3, perpetually right on the edge of that elite group unable to break in. It took COVID and nearly getting fired for Harbaugh to turn the corner. Franklin isn’t getting a COVID. And to his credit, outside of 2020, Harbaugh never had a loss like Franklin just had. He only lost twice to unranked teams. Once was a rivalry game in an 8-5 year to MSU and the other was his Michigan debut against an Utah team that ended the season 10-3. I don’t think they should fire Franklin. But I do think he should be on as thin of ice as Harbaugh was on entering 2021. the difference is that Harbaugh already had a deep, deep resume. Quote
buddha Posted October 5 Posted October 5 41 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: the difference is that Harbaugh already had a deep, deep resume. ummm....yeah. let me know when james franklin takes stanford to the orange bowl and san francisco to the super bowl. sheesh g2. Quote
buddha Posted October 5 Posted October 5 franklin isnt going anywhere. they cant reasonably buy him out for two years. even then they wont. be careful what you wish for, penn state. you could end up being nebraska. Quote
Motor City Sonics Posted October 5 Posted October 5 28 minutes ago, buddha said: franklin isnt going anywhere. they cant reasonably buy him out for two years. even then they wont. be careful what you wish for, penn state. you could end up being nebraska. I want Penn State to keep James Franklin Forever And Ever And Ever Quote
Hongbit Posted October 5 Posted October 5 9 hours ago, buddha said: franklin isnt going anywhere. they cant reasonably buy him out for two years. even then they wont. be careful what you wish for, penn state. you could end up being nebraska. What is reasonable is only a question that Terry Pegula can answer. Quote
MichiganCardinal Posted October 5 Posted October 5 13 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: the difference is that Harbaugh already had a deep, deep resume. I agree, but ignoring what Franklin did to that program isn't right either. The NCAA blows the whole thing up (rightfully so) in 2011. You get two years of mediocrity under Bill O'Brien before Franklin comes in, still under a cloud of a postseason ban and scholarship restrictions (remember when those were a thing?). To buddha's point, they could have easily become Nebraska right then and there. Or worse, SMU. They were on about as thin of ice as possible not just with the NCAA, but with society. National news covered Penn State students protesting the removal of a statute honoring a man who covered up child sexual abuse. It was as ugly as it gets in Happy Valley. There were serious talks in 2011 about kicking them out of the Big Ten! Instead of relegating to irrelevancy though, he's gone 104-42. And while yes, it seems like they are just stuck as the #15 team in the country, perpetually unable to beat teams above their weight class, there are far worse places to be. To counter my own point though, Mark Richt went 145-51 in 15 seasons at Georgia but never won the Natty. They made the move to Kirby Smart and he's won two in nine years. So sometimes you do need to make that change to put yourself over the edge. I just think you're just as likely to put a Luke Fickell, Hugh Freeze, Matt Rhule, or Lane Kiffin in charge, and set your program back 5-10 years. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted October 5 Posted October 5 (edited) LOL -- I think both you and Buddha read a bit more into it than I actually meant. My only point was just the simple one that Harbaugh's history meant no matter what, his coaching chops weren't going to be seriously questioned - the underlying assumption with JH being he could/would turn it around remained pretty strong even after the disaster of 2020. I just took him a lot longer to find the QB he needed than anyone hoped. and just to clarify - and as Buddha would tell you, I never liked Harbaugh - but it wasn't because I didn't think he could coach, I just always thought he was bad news for UM in general. The constant low class running at the mouth in the early years, the drama with the NCAA in the later ones. Plus, for a guy with deep UM roots, he ended up not really looking out for the program's interests - he brought a big win but also ran down the program on the way out the door. So to go to those details I guess Franklin is different guy from that perspective also. Edited October 5 by gehringer_2 Quote
MichiganCardinal Posted October 5 Posted October 5 1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said: LOL -- I think both you and Buddha read a bit more into it than I actually meant. My only point was just the simple one that Harbaugh's history meant no matter what, his coaching chops weren't going to be seriously questioned - the underlying assumption with JH being he could/would turn it around remained pretty strong even after the disaster of 2020. I just took him a lot longer to find the QB he needed than anyone hoped. and just to clarify - and as Buddha would tell you, I never liked Harbaugh - but it wasn't because I didn't think he could coach, I just always thought he was bad news for UM in general. The constant low class running at the mouth in the early years, the drama with the NCAA in the later ones. Plus, for a guy with deep UM roots, he ended up not really looking out for the program's interests - he brought a big win but also ran down the program on the way out the door. So to go to those details I guess Franklin is different guy from that perspective also. Oh I’m not digging my heels into anything. I have no dog in the Penn State race. I’m just spitballing. RE Harbaugh, you’re not wrong. But I think the brass in A2 knew what they were signing up for when they courted him. And they got what they bargained for. Quote
RandyMarsh Posted October 5 Posted October 5 (edited) I never liked the idea of preseason polls even before the transfer portal but now they make even less sense because all the turnover you get every year from teams. It makes it too difficult to accurately predict how a team is going to look that season. Edited October 5 by RandyMarsh 1 Quote
Deleterious Posted October 8 Author Posted October 8 So the only transfer portal of the season will take place during the semi-finals and finals. Actually, this year's NC game is on the 19th. You could see guys transfer out before the championship game. Quote
Deleterious Posted October 8 Author Posted October 8 Currently, you have a 30-day window after the coach leaves or is fired. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted October 8 Posted October 8 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Deleterious said: Currently, you have a 30-day window after the coach leaves or is fired. so you just make whoever you bring in an 'interim' to freeze your players? Or do they limit the 'interim' designation to a current staffer to prevent that? Edited October 8 by gehringer_2 Quote
MichiganCardinal Posted October 8 Posted October 8 1 minute ago, gehringer_2 said: so you just make whoever you bring in an 'interim' to freeze your players? Or do they limit the 'interim' designation to a current staffer to prevent that? They'll have to do something about this. After Stanford fired Troy Taylor in March (after a stellar 6-18 career), Frank Reich was named interim head coach, a position he's held ever since. If it doesn't apply to interims at all, then all the Stanford players would have just been stuck here with Frank Reich, until they eventually make their underwhelming hire. Quote
Deleterious Posted October 8 Author Posted October 8 That wasn't on my bingo card Big Ten Considering Investment From California Pension Fund Quote
gehringer_2 Posted October 8 Posted October 8 1 hour ago, Deleterious said: That wasn't on my bingo card Big Ten Considering Investment From California Pension Fund apparently not everyone one board - last thing in the article - (and an interesting choice of potential allies to mention.) Quote University of Michigan regent Jordan Acker posted on X in response to the proposal: “As a Regent, I believe selling off Michigan’s precious public university assets would betray our responsibility to students and taxpayers. I will firmly oppose any such effort—and I hope colleagues at [Michigan State] and [Ohio State] will stand with me as well.” Meanwhile, a bill introduced by Rep. Michael Baumgartner (R., Wash.) this week seeks to ban these types of private capital deals, as FOS first reported Tuesday. Quote
buddha Posted October 8 Posted October 8 (edited) again, i dont know why michigan and ohio state (and to a lesser degree penn state and usc) would tie themselves to any deal that stretches to 2046. i get everyone else in the big ten wanting to nail down the big teams so its hard to leave, but osu and um ha e potentially bigger fish to fry. if there is a super league, it will include um, osu, psu, and usc. northwestern and purdue? not so likely. Edited October 8 by buddha Quote
gehringer_2 Posted October 8 Posted October 8 1 minute ago, buddha said: again, i dont know why michigan and ohio state (and to a lesser degree penn state and usc) would tie themselves to any deal that stretches to 2046. i get everyone else in the big ten wanting to nail down the big teams so its hard to leave, but osu and um ha e potentially bigger fish to fry. if there is a super league, it will include um, osu, psu, and usc. northwestern and purdue? not so likely. I have to think the traditional top Big10/Pac10 legacy schools would love to combine to do something on their own (meaning separate from the SEC etc) *if* they can figure it out - which may in the end be unlikely, but that doesn't mean they won't try But as you note, it comes down to the question of where the cut-off line falls for who gets left out and what they estimate the goodwill cost would be be to just break the conference. When I saw the terms of the 'House' settlement the first thing I thought is that sure, it can work for the top 20 or maybe even 40 teams, but it's not going to work for anyone below that tier. So there are about 100 D1 teams out there facing a future they really can't afford. Quote
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