2025 NCAA Football Thread

[gehringer_2]

15 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said:

Who would hire the next coach if not Warde? We don't have time to hire both an AD and a coach in the next three weeks. If Warde can hire DeBour or Freeman, he should. Then, he can be given his walking papers.

If DeBour is who they want and Warde gets him then it's hard to see how that would not increase the probability that Warde keeps his gig.

[Jason_R]

UM athletics is an embarrassment right now. Under Warde Manuel’s watch. He should be terminated already. It is an embarrassment to UM that he has not been. 

Under no circumstances should he be permitted to hire the next coach. It is not necessary to have an AD in place to hire a new coach. It would be ideal but these are already not ideal circumstances. And it is not like an NFLGM who is responsible for acquiring players. 

[MichiganCardinal]

11 minutes ago, buddha said:

is michigan a good enough job that you take it knowing the guy who hired you was getting fired in a week?  i have my doubts.

With a high enough buyout any job is worth taking.

[gehringer_2]

18 minutes ago, Jason_R said:

UM athletics is an embarrassment right now. Under Warde Manuel’s watch. He should be terminated already. It is an embarrassment to UM that he has not been. 

Under no circumstances should he be permitted to hire the next coach. It is not necessary to have an AD in place to hire a new coach. It would be ideal but these are already not ideal circumstances. And it is not like an NFLGM who is responsible for acquiring players. 

That's the external take, that may or may not be the internal take. Just to take the Devil's advocacy, what if it was S Ono who pushed for Moore the be given the shot and Warde's position had been he wanted someone more experienced? That's a pure hypothetical but it's the kind of thing that no-one on the outside has any way of knowing. So if Warde isn't broomed, you can assume things on the inside do not necessarily appear as they do on the outside. 

Or he may be gone tomorrow, and the more conventional take was true. But we won't know until it happens.

One of the weaknesses in the program as a whole right now is because of the constant churn in athletics since Lloyd Carr, plus the a lot of turnover the overall top admin jobs, there just aren't any admin or athletic dept 'elder statesman's around. Manuel is about the only person there with any deep intituational memory and if the question is him, that doesn't leave much expertise for the decision.

Edited Thursday at 11:10 PM by gehringer_2

[Hongbit]

1 hour ago, buddha said:

jason eck is intriguing...

Michigan is not ever hiring the head coach from New Mexico State.  

[Hongbit]

Or New Mexico for that matter.

[romad1]

The UM regents are a pretty incestuous bunch considering that one of them buys advertising on the baseball games of the other.   Not as crazy as the MSU regents but still. 

[buddha]

43 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

Michigan is not ever hiring the head coach from New Mexico State.  

believe it or not, michigan once hired the head coach of san diego state....

[gehringer_2]

32 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

The mistress went from $58K a year to $90K  - same job.    Someone had to sign off on that.    Geez, this department sounds like it was run by Robert Ficano.        

You can say anything you want about 'someone should have known' but short of surveiling people illegally you probably aren't going to know who's canoodling whom - at least until some party aggrieved by it shows up. But someone should have caught that- raises in xs of the annual pool % have to be justified. Now maybe they came up with a good story about added responsibilities or additional direct reports or something. But if not someone in the unit business office that passed this along without raising a flag should also take some heat.

[buddha]

2 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

You can say anything you want about 'someone should have known' but short of surveiling people illegally you probably aren't going to know who's canoodling whom - at least until some party aggrieved by it shows up. But someone should have caught that- raises in xs of the annual pool % have to be justified. Now maybe they came up with a good story about added responsibilities or additional direct reports or something. But if not someone in the unit business office that passed this along without raising a flag should also take some heat.

Doesnt michigan have a damn hr department?  or does the football coach just have carte blanche?

the last few years have just shown how poorly run michigan really is.

[gehringer_2]

13 minutes ago, buddha said:

Doesnt michigan have a damn hr department?  or does the football coach just have carte blanche?

the last few years have just shown how poorly run michigan really is.

That isn't what HR does at UM that I ever saw. Staff salaries are paid out of departmental budgets. There are usually financial side administrators that the departmental people have to work through for anything that involves money. I would say there had to be a unit financial staffer who had to have put this through - the only question is was there a story to go with it that made it passible or were they just caving to the influence of the Head Coach?

The systems at UM in my experience were pretty decent. But you still need people to pay attention to them. My guess is there were controls in place and either Moore fabricated his way past them or he had enablers that weren't doing their jobs.

Edited yesterday at 12:53 AM by gehringer_2

[Jason_R]

If Warde Manuel was in charge of “Athletics,” and he was, he signed off on a 55% raise for a low level admin person. 

Nobody gets to give someone who wasn’t even promoted a 55% raise, especially at a state institution, without going around HR.

I don’t know which is worse between Manuel knowing this was happening and allowing it, or Manuel not knowing it was happening. Either way, it is inexcusable.

[casimir]

1 minute ago, Jason_R said:

If Warde Manuel was in charge of “Athletics,” and he was, he signed off on a 55% raise for a low level admin person. 

Nobody gets to give someone who wasn’t even promoted a 55% raise, especially at a state institution, without going around HR.

I don’t know which is worse between Manuel knowing this was happening and allowing it, or Manuel not knowing it was happening. Either way, it is inexcusable.

How do we know this is true?

[gehringer_2]

6 minutes ago, casimir said:

How do we know this is true?

yeah - I'm not sure the salaries of Moore's staff are something Warde would be reviewing - but it certainly would have been someone's job  to bring something like that to Warde's attention when *they* saw it. And that person might not even report in Warde's chain of command. Again, from where we sit, we don't know where the point of failure was. But Warde is the most likely candidate to take the fall either way.

Edited yesterday at 01:04 AM by gehringer_2

[Shinzaki]

Ward?...somewhere in this mess is a Ward/beaver joke

[buddha]

1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said:

That isn't what HR does at UM that I ever saw. Staff salaries are paid out of departmental budgets. There are usually financial side administrators that the departmental people have to work through for anything that involves money. I would say there had to be a unit financial staffer who had to have put this through - the only question is was there a story to go with it that made it passible or were they just caving to the influence of the Head Coach?

The systems at UM in my experience were pretty decent. But you still need people to pay attention to them. My guess is there were controls in place and either Moore fabricated his way past them or he had enablers that weren't doing their jobs.

there has to be some sort of oversight or audit.

 

[gehringer_2]

7 minutes ago, buddha said:

there has to be some sort of oversight or audit.

 

yes - I'm sure there is/was. The question is how was it subverted? Moore could simply have lied to HR/financial staff about what he was doing, or he found other staff to enable what he was doing, or worst case, Warde was apprised about what he was doing and had the authority and poor judgement to sign off on it. 🙄

Edited yesterday at 02:14 AM by gehringer_2

[Jason_R]

Just to make it clear, there is a public record of almost every public employee’s salary that anyone can look up. That other image is not pilfered from some private system. How Moore and anyone associated with this debacle did not know or plan for the inevitability that this information would make its way out is impossibly, unbelievably stupid. 

Also Rich Eisen is saying that within 90 minutes of the Ohio State game he had four different people call to tell him the rumor. It is also impossible to believe that Manuel did not know much earlier than this. 

They say the cover up is always worse, but nothing is worse than this cover up! 😂

[gehringer_2]

31 minutes ago, Jason_R said:

Just to make it clear, there is a public record of almost every public employee’s salary that anyone can look up. That other image is not pilfered from some private system. How Moore and anyone associated with this debacle did not know or plan for the inevitability that this information would make its way out is impossibly, unbelievably stupid. 

Also Rich Eisen is saying that within 90 minutes of the Ohio State game he had four different people call to tell him the rumor. It is also impossible to believe that Manuel did not know much earlier than this. 

They say the cover up is always worse, but nothing is worse than this cover up! 😂

Every UM staffer knows their salary is public, but it's one of those things that probably recedes into the wood work and I guess people 'forget' about it.

[Mr.TaterSalad]

Not that having Joel Klatt agree with you is the be all, end all. It is not. However, I'm in complete agreement with Klatt that Michigan's first call should be to Cignetti and the university should make him say no. And if he does, then you simply move on to other coaches on your list. That's why you have a list of many candidates, not just one.

From Klatt yesterday . . .

"I understand that he just signed an extension, but listen, are we really that naive to think that, 'After the extension is signed and you coach for a year, then we can start ripping up contracts,'" Klatt said. "It's just legal jargon, so all the coaches that signed extensions, I would at least have them in the pool, because why limit your own pool? So force Cignetti to say 'No.'"

[Deleterious]

Is the source Nick Saban?

 

[Deleterious]

Now I'm angry.  We were at the Kentucky Derby in 2018 and Diddy did not invite us to the party.

OnlyFans model claims ex-Michigan football coach Sherrone Moore ‘slid into’ her DMs, as it’s revealed he attended Diddy party

[gehringer_2]

something tells me this is going to keep getting worse for a while.

And here is another curiosity: Harbaugh is supposedly this straight arrow Mom, God and Country straight arrow and he's the one setting up this dawg as the next best young guy since sliced bread? How does that work?

Edited 17 hours ago by gehringer_2

[RedTeamGo!]

1 hour ago, Deleterious said:

Is the source Nick Saban?

 

This would be hilarious as a semi-browns fan (we moved to Lakewood, OH 10 years ago), however, OSU fans would react to this like Michigan fans reacted to OSU hiring Matt Patricia, and we have all seen how that has worked out for OSU. 

[RedTeamGo!]

14 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

something tells me this is going to keep getting worse for a while.

And here is another curiosity: Harbaugh is supposedly this straight arrow Mom, God and Country straight arrow and he's the one setting up this dawg as the next best young guy since sliced bread? How does that work?

Because Harbaugh is a phony