2025 Detroit Tigers General Discussion Thread

[romad1]

1 minute ago, RandyMarsh said:

I know most don't care about Rankings but for those that do the Tigers moved up to number 2 in mlb.com power rankings and to the top spot in CBS's rankings.

I'm sure you'd have to go back to 2014 at the earliest before you'd find the Tigers in the top spot of any national power rankings. 

and it would certainly not be for our minor league talent which Dave Dombrowski spent like a drunken sailor to acquire all his heart desired. 

[Sports_Freak]

34 minutes ago, romad1 said:

and it would certainly not be for our minor league talent which Dave Dombrowski spent like a drunken sailor to acquire all his heart desired. 

I would rather have division wins, playoff berths and World Series appearances than several "prospects" in the organization. Yes, Dave plundered our organization for established players but I won't argue with the results. Avila traded all of the established players for prospects. How did that work out?

[romad1]

9 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

I would rather have division wins, playoff berths and World Series appearances than several "prospects" in the organization. Yes, Dave plundered our organization for established players but I won't argue with the results. Avila traded all of the established players for prospects. How did that work out?

Is this an argument?   Just noting we didn't have much in the system during the good Dombrowski era.  We did in 2006-2008 I'd say.  You can't have a Verlander and a Granderson without having some organizational talent. 

[Sports_Freak]

2 hours ago, romad1 said:

Is this an argument?   Just noting we didn't have much in the system during the good Dombrowski era.  We did in 2006-2008 I'd say.  You can't have a Verlander and a Granderson without having some organizational talent. 

That is true and young talent is the way to go, IMO. But Dave had Mr I. and his money to basically go after any player he wanted with a huge payroll. Trading prospects to acquire there expensive and established players? It worked, the Tigers were consistent contenders. It meant a weak farm system and a huge payroll that eventually caught up to the organization but it's much better than finishing out of the playoffs for multiple years. After all, many prospects never develop. Even most prospects never amount to anything. And don't forget, to draft Granderson and JV, we had to lose 100 games a year, or close to it. No thanks. 

[papalawrence]

Reese Olson to IL with finger injury 

 

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/tigers-reese-olson-goes-on-il-with-finger-injury/

[GalagaGuy]

11 minutes ago, papalawrence said:

Reese Olson to IL with finger injury 

 

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/tigers-reese-olson-goes-on-il-with-finger-injury/

Oh come on! 🤕

To be fair, I don't see how any pitcher survives a season without injury considering the mechanics involved with gripping and throwing a baseball like they do. 

[chasfh]

7 hours ago, Sports_Freak said:

I would rather have division wins, playoff berths and World Series appearances than several "prospects" in the organization. Yes, Dave plundered our organization for established players but I won't argue with the results. Avila traded all of the established players for prospects. How did that work out?

Dave Dombrowski emptied the system of its top prospects like Willy Adames, Eugenio Suarez, and Robbie Ray in exchange for teams that were no better than third best in the league in any given year and left the organization barren when he left. I don’t want to see that again.

Al Avila’s trades of established players for prospects didn’t work out because Al Avila’s was an incompetent general manager.

[Sports_Freak]

9 hours ago, monkeytargets39 said:

I feel like Malloy is safer just because he is among the leagues best at walk rate.  Plus he is younger and is showing more improvement.  

McKinstry and Ibanez? Are they safe? The Tigers are getting close to a numbers crunch. 3 players returning soon, Meadows, Vierling and Rogers.  Nido I can see but which other 2 players go? Baddoo and Malloy? And then there's Perez, who i assume we'll keep in Toledo? 

[Sports_Freak]

52 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Dave Dombrowski emptied the system of its top prospects like Willy Adames, Eugenio Suarez, and Robbie Ray in exchange for teams that were no better than third best in the league in any given year and left the organization barren when he left. I don’t want to see that again.

Al Avila’s trades of established players for prospects didn’t work out because Al Avila’s was an incompetent general manager.

Dombrowski also didn't have high draft picks to reload our farm system. And he knew Mr. I. would spend the money for any needed players. Yes, he traded away several good players and a couple of them didn't bring a great return. But prospects....you just never know. Look at the Miggy trade, Maybin had a decent career and Andrew Miller had a pretty good one. But, money aside, the Tigers won that trade. And yes, Al Avila was in way over his head...

[chasfh]

10 hours ago, Sports_Freak said:

Dombrowski also didn't have high draft picks to reload our farm system. And he knew Mr. I. would spend the money for any needed players. Yes, he traded away several good players and a couple of them didn't bring a great return. But prospects....you just never know. Look at the Miggy trade, Maybin had a decent career and Andrew Miller had a pretty good one. But, money aside, the Tigers won that trade. And yes, Al Avila was in way over his head...

I think of the Miggy trade as a huge outlier.

[oblong]

I love the story, which I think is fake, that it was Ilitch who suggested they get Cabrera.  Like the whole crew is just sitting around and in comes Mike "Hey, I was reading that Florida wants to trade Miguel Cabrera... we should get him."

Mike Ilitch probably didn't know who Cabrera was.

[papalawrence]

1 hour ago, oblong said:

I love the story, which I think is fake, that it was Ilitch who suggested they get Cabrera.  Like the whole crew is just sitting around and in comes Mike "Hey, I was reading that Florida wants to trade Miguel Cabrera... we should get him."

Mike Ilitch probably didn't know who Cabrera was.

It is feasible imho. I also read it was Mike's input that resulted in signing Prince Fielder, and extending VMart.

[oblong]

2 minutes ago, papalawrence said:

It is feasible imho. I also read it was Mike's input that resulted in signing Prince Fielder, and extending VMart.

That I believe, especially since DD just a few days prior said Prince can't help them. 

Regarding Cabrera I think DD was just blowing smoke for the boss. The only question for Mike was whether he'd give him a new contract.

[TigerNation]

2 hours ago, oblong said:

I love the story, which I think is fake, that it was Ilitch who suggested they get Cabrera.  Like the whole crew is just sitting around and in comes Mike "Hey, I was reading that Florida wants to trade Miguel Cabrera... we should get him."

Mike Ilitch probably didn't know who Cabrera was.

I read that the Marlins approached the Tigers at the winter meetings and asked if they'd be interested. Both sides then went to a hotel room and knocked out the details.

[Edman85]

30 minutes ago, TigerNation said:

I read that the Marlins approached the Tigers at the winter meetings and asked if they'd be interested. Both sides then went to a hotel room and knocked out the details.

One could say the deal was conceived in that instance?

[romad1]

15 hours ago, chasfh said:

Dave Dombrowski emptied the system of its top prospects like Willy Adames, Eugenio Suarez, and Robbie Ray in exchange for teams that were no better than third best in the league in any given year and left the organization barren when he left. I don’t want to see that again.

Al Avila’s trades of established players for prospects didn’t work out because Al Avila’s was an incompetent general manager.

Willy Adames and Eugenio Suarez would have been nice to have. 

[Sports_Freak]

13 minutes ago, romad1 said:

Willy Adames and Eugenio Suarez would have been nice to have. 

Hindsight is always 20-20. Trading Suarez for Alfredo Simon was a big mistake. It's one of the reasons I don't like trading young players, you just never know. It's the Doyle Alexander syndrome.

[Sports_Freak]

4 hours ago, chasfh said:

I think of the Miggy trade as a huge outlier.

Miggy was the biggest name, by far, that Dombrowski traded for. But getting Jonny Peralta for Giovanni Soto was a good trade. And getting Max Scherzer was huge. There were several trades that Dave used to help Detroit make the playoffs for several years. While most of us didn't like his methods, they did produce playoff teams. But I really like this current team and it's future much more than the teams with the huge bloated payrolls.

[chasfh]

12 hours ago, oblong said:

I love the story, which I think is fake, that it was Ilitch who suggested they get Cabrera.  Like the whole crew is just sitting around and in comes Mike "Hey, I was reading that Florida wants to trade Miguel Cabrera... we should get him."

Mike Ilitch probably didn't know who Cabrera was.

Do you seriously think so? I think Papa Doc was a baseball-first guy. He may or may not have known the intricacies of comparative analysis when it comes to players, but I’d bet he knew Miggy was one of the bigger stars in the other league at that time.

[oblong]

Yes I do think so. 

[IdahoBert]

Cleveland has lost four games in a row, which makes me very happy, but the Twins are now in second place after winning more games in a row than God should allow.

Tomorrow they finish the game that was rained out and play another game that was scheduled previously between the two teams.

Do I want one team to sweep the other or do I want them to split? Do I want the emotional gratification of witnessing Cleveland’s humiliation or the strategic gratification of seeing the Twins defeated? Or do I just give up and settle for a split?
 

[holygoat]

14 hours ago, oblong said:

I love the story, which I think is fake, that it was Ilitch who suggested they get Cabrera.  Like the whole crew is just sitting around and in comes Mike "Hey, I was reading that Florida wants to trade Miguel Cabrera... we should get him."

Mike Ilitch probably didn't know who Cabrera was.

I don't know if Ilitch suggested going after Cabrera, but I think the story is entirely plausible because I don't doubt for a second that he was well aware of who Miggy was.

[RandyMarsh]

We know Dombrowski and Avila along with Pudge had a connection with Miggy so once it became known in the inner circle of the league that he could be available I could see one or all of them talking him up to Ilitch.

Then maybe a week or two later when it became known outside of the inner circle and national rumors started running rampant Mike may have went back to them and said go get that guy.

 

[chasfh]

8 hours ago, IdahoBert said:

Cleveland has lost four games in a row, which makes me very happy, but the Twins are now in second place after winning more games in a row than God should allow.

Tomorrow they finish the game that was rained out and play another game that was scheduled previously between the two teams.

Do I want one team to sweep the other or do I want them to split? Do I want the emotional gratification of witnessing Cleveland’s humiliation or the strategic gratification of seeing the Twins defeated? Or do I just give up and settle for a split?
 

What’s better for the Tigers?

[romad1]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

What’s better for the Tigers?

Twins lose, Guardians use all of their bullpen to do that.